呵呵：经营生意白给别人将近50万；争论遭人爆捶。这就是845 163的下场啊

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全部细节原文：http://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/action/PJUDG?jgmtid=156495

Miao女“出租生意”给Lu女；不允许找律师；不报真实营业；不让房东知道；Lu女先生原是出租司机；接收后每周上供；帮人傻pay 各种bill；最后生意还不是自己的；多年累积将近上供50万。发现问题，Miao女友人爆捶，见红。最终判决Miao女只赔偿3万多而已。 Lu女亏大了。

经典片段：

报纸广告："Supermarket
For sale or lease.
One of the best on the Northern Beaches T/O) $20,000 per week.
Details ring 0416041 355"

Me: Do we need to see a solicitor to make some public notary papers?

Mr. Chen: No, we won't need any legal papers.
All you need to do is to go to the Department of Fair Trading and get your own business name, you can't use my business name because you will need to pay your own income tax and GST.

Me: How does it work with the GST?

Mr. Chen: The fruit, the milk and vegetables you don't pay GST. The groceries, the drinks and cigarettes you have to pay GST. You will need to apply for an ABN number at the ATO. Don't worry I'll teach you everything and show you how to do the Tax and GST.

Me: OK then, you said we don't need any Solicitor or legal papers.

Mr. Chen: If you go to see a Solicitor you will need to pay stamp duty, a security bond and all of the legal costs. It will cost you more than $20,000.00, you are better off not spending that money, I'm helping you to save all that money.

Me: Its Ok, we don't mind spending money to see a Solicitor if it is necessary."

Mr. Chen: If you insist on going to a Solicitor, don't worry about it, we will just find someone else to run the shop instead of you, as I told you we have had 60 couples look at the shop. We will just get one of them in.

Me: Ok, if you don't think that it is necessary we won't worry about going to a Solicitor.

Mr. Chen: Don't tell the landlord that you found us in the Sydney Morning Herald, if she asks just tell her that you are our cousins., You just pay the electricity bill, the telephone bill and the insurance, just these three things only and you just look after the shop. As far as she is aware I am paying the shop rent.

Shortly after 6.00pm on 8 February 2010 whilst I was present in the shop and I was standing at the counter area, I saw a person I recognised as Mr. Chen walk quickly into the shop. I then saw him go up to Cherry who was standing up in the mezzanine level and as he approached her he came up very close to her and pointed at her with his right index finger between her eyes and he then said:-

"ing bitch, what do you want?"

Cherry then said:

"Don't point at me in that way, you are a dishonest person, we can leave any time but you have to give us receipts for the whole period since we were first working in the shop."

I then saw Nick move his right arm in a closed fist and cause the fist to connect with the left side of Cherry's face. Cherry immediately covered her face with her left hand and fell down onto the ground where she was in a sitting position facing towards Mr. Chen. Mr. Chen then continued to swing both of his fists towards the top of Cherry's head. I then ran over to where they were standing and tried to get in between Cherry and Mr. Chen in order to stop him from hitting her. I then put my right arm out in front of where Mr. Chen was punching to try to block his punches. As I did this Mr. Chen was saying I'll kill you, I'll kill you." As he said these words I saw him continuing to throw punches with his right arm and kick his right leg towards Cherry although l did not see exactly where on her body these kicks and punches landed. I then saw Mr. Chen kick Cherry's left leg with his right foot. I then managed to stand in front of Mr. Chen and pushed him away using two open palms towards his shoulders. He then moved back and I kept pushing him towards the door of the shop. I then let him sit down in a chair outside the shop and I said to him in English words to the following effect:-

"You cannot punch a woman, you make a big mistake."

Mr. Chen then said words to the effect of:-

"I don't care, I regret I didn't punch her more heavily."

I then responded by saying words to the following effect to Mr. Chen:

"Maybe she will call the police and the police will be on their way. Now, you will be in trouble."

Mr. Chen then said words to the effect of:
"I don't care."

[ 本帖最后由 年轻时代 于 2012-1-18 18:51 编辑 ]

baodayok

板凳

holyplague

这个标题猛。。。

有妖气

沙发自称板凳

Freetiger

总感觉这个标题有表示楼主对163、845、892的具体规定有些模糊。

培培

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flyfish668

啥东东·

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更多华人“上当”


In about May 2008 Mr Lu said he had a conversation with Mr Chen at the shop:


"Me: Nick, we really can't afford to keep paying the $1,700.00 a week to you. It is only a small shop, it is not a big business, if you take $1,700.00 away each week there is not enough income for us to survive. We pay the rent, the electricity, the phone bill and all of the business expenses and you pay nothing, not one cent. We are just wasting our time here working hard for nothing.

Mr. Chen: As I've told you before, I can't afford to drop the weekly payments, if I drop the payment I will not be making any money, you know if you don't like it you can just leave right now, I will keep this stock that you have here and get someone else to run the shop for me. I've already found someone to take over the shop and they have given me a $5,000.00 deposit."

26Some time later, a "Chinese couple" came to the premises and asked questions about the business. Mr Lu referred them to Mr Chen.


27The next day he went to the Respondent's shop at Fairlight and there was a conversation:

"Me: Nick, who were the people who came to the shop yesterday, why did they ask so many questions, it looks like you have told them they can take over the shop. If you want us to leave, that's fine but you will have to pay us for the stock.

Nick: I 'm not going to pay you any money for the stock, if you want to go that's your decision, but I'm not paying any money to you.

Me: Nick, it's not right, you just can't send people to the shop
without giving us any notice.

Nick: That's my business, I can send people there any time I want."

咋地办哩

乘物以游心

靠，LZ要说就说清楚嘛。。。

Mushroom

看链接更清楚一点

Ｅ覞鐘情

長

kidz821

看不明白

鱼鱼有刺儿

没懂

小日子

有中文版没有？

m2thez

疯了。。。还是只能中国人骗中国人吗？

Luckypeanut

初步看了一下没看出有大问题。 人家生意也是买来的， 就算你去银行贷款也是有利息的，再说银行还不给你贷呢， 想要做无本生意， 只好让人家多拿些， 毕竟他们才是投资人， 生意万一做坏了， 你拍拍PG就走人，亏的可是投资人－别和我说澳洲生意没有倒闭的。

如果你真的不想继续经营了， 可以任何时候stop呀， 为什么做了n年之久呢？

其实对owner来说， 最大的risk是生意给做坏掉了， 贬值卖不出好价钱的可能。

sdcmc

原帖由 m2thez 于 2012-1-18 23:10 发表
疯了。。。还是只能中国人骗中国人吗？

中國人能騙英國人嗎? (paopaobing(11))

VW6666

mantou

不赚钱, 哪里来50万上供.

茄菲

很多163现在做的好好的，不能一竹竿打死一船人。

ycrb

最终判决Miao女只赔偿3万多而已。 Lu女亏大了。



感觉LU赢了，landlord会终止就合同，与LU签新合同，店成lu的了，省了20w
。

云妈

原帖由 年轻时代 于 2012-1-18 18:41 发表
全部细节原文：http://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/action/PJUDG?jgmtid=156495

Miao女“出租生意”给Lu女；不允许找律师；不报真实营业；不让房东知道；Lu女先生原是出租司机；接收后每周上供；帮人傻pay 各种bill；最后生意还不是自己 ...

需要细看。

chiny

看了整一个CASE, 得出结论~~
Miao精算且阴毒， Lu天真且贪小财~~
两个都不是啥好货~~~
整个CASE， 关键词如下：
a newspaper advertisement published on 7 May 2005.
"Supermarket
For sale or lease.
One of the best on the Northern Beaches T/O) $20,000 per week.
Details ring 0416041 355"

"The weekly turnover is $22,000.00. If you want to take over the shop you will have to pay me $1,970.00 per week on top of the rent you have to pay to the landlord which is about $4,500.00 per month. You will also have to buy the whole stock of the shop from me after we do a stock take. You'll need to pay us about $50,000.00 for the stock, we will work out the exact amount you have to pay us after we do the stock take.

At this stage I can promise that you guys can stay here for two years, no problem, but I'm not sure after that because the landlord wants to demolish the building."
这种生意是没有人敢买滴~~~居然用到租这一招， 真TMD绝了， 只有这种人可以想出如此雷人滴IDEA， 还得逞鸟， 神马样滴人都有~~

cathymissmel

租生意？？？没听说过。。。

chiny

当然有啦， 租个生意砸钱卖身份， 拿到鸟亏大鸟就只能死忍不见光， 花了大钱还拿不到身份滴当然就要破壶沉舟撕烂脸曝光啦~~

simonlee

你要抓住主要问题， 你拿到pr了吗？如果拿到了，但是亏了50万倒也算了。

微胖儿

没觉得LU女亏哪了，最多法律上不占理，钱肯定也没少挣。

fitr

whats the end ?

gifox

CHINY解释一下为何无人敢买？因为会DEMOLISH么？

里面那个女的是不是比较奇怪？既然是要买身份，就当然要走正路，怎么可以什么文件协议都无？

认识另外一个食店店主，生意做的很好，太累了。也是出租4k一个月+所有开支。结果接手的人做的很烂，客人招呼不好，食物做不好（我去吃饭的时候发现店主自己上菜都很不熟手，可能根本未做过这行）。生意一落千丈。后来原店主接手生意又上去了直到该店的房东也拆了建apt。