sole trader 退税

ccj5124

去年申请ABN了，弄了网站，网站的hosting $250 是一个cost，但是没有任何收入，这个cost能不能退？如果可以，应该填在etax里面哪里？

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还有，如果出差，在外面的吃饭能否退？因为公司并没有补助这块。如果可以，应该填在etax里面哪里？

谢谢

[ 本帖最后由 ccj5124 于 2008-10-30 19:25 编辑 ]

休

都不能

Vicki0433126492

原帖由 休 于 2008-10-30 19:31 发表
都不能

Why not???

大饼

原帖由 Vicki0433126492 于 2008-10-31 10:47 发表
Why not???

turn over < 20K 的都不能

Vicki0433126492

原帖由 ccj5124 于 2008-10-30 19:23 发表
去年申请ABN了，弄了网站，网站的hosting $250 是一个cost，但是没有任何收入，这个cost能不能退？如果可以，应该填在etax里面哪里？

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还有，如果出差，在外面的吃饭能否退？因为公司并没有补助这 ...

Bookkeeper would say NO, Accountant would say YES....

休

原帖由 Vicki0433126492 于 2008-10-31 10:49 发表
Bookkeeper would say NO, Accountant would say YES....

那你解释一下

Vicki0433126492

原帖由 大饼 于 2008-10-31 10:48 发表

turn over < 20K 的都不能

in waiting..... more detail?

丹儿

原帖由 Vicki0433126492 于 2008-10-31 10:49 发表
Bookkeeper would say NO, Accountant would say YES....

看到签名，应该是专业人士。请详细解释下如何操作，我有兴趣想知道。

Vicki0433126492

原帖由 休 于 2008-10-31 10:51 发表

那你解释一下

Question: 1+1=?

Bookkeeper: 1+1=2

Accountant: 1+1=-1

Bookkeeper: ??!!

大饼

原帖由 Vicki0433126492 于 2008-10-31 10:51 发表

in waiting..... more detail?

Annual turn over < 20000，不能因为亏损抵扣个人工资收入。
这就是 detail

丹儿

我的理解
普通情况下，tax return中deduction产生的前提条件是抵扣business income，从而减少income tax payable。没有收入，没有交税，何来deduction呢？
对于sole trader，有几个情况下，business net loss可以抵扣个人其他收入来扣减个人应缴所得税。例如sole trader business前5个财政年度中，起码3个年度盈利；business资产达到一定的标准，或者楼上有的同学说的，business income超过20k/年等等。楼主的情况都不符合，我个人认为不可抵扣。目前来看新成立的sole trader business比较能够有机会将loss抵扣个人所得税的条件容易实现的是那个income>20k/yr。这样说来，这个business的cost+expenses起码要达到20k以后，才能将剩下的net loss用来抵扣个人所得税。
仅仅是我的理解，不一定理解完全正确，期望大家一起来讨论。(monkey35)

休

原帖由 Vicki0433126492 于 2008-10-31 10:54 发表

Question: 1+1=?

Bookkeeper: 1+1=2

Accountant: 1+1=-1

Bookkeeper: ??!!

不是这个解释,请对丹儿的解释给点意见.

丹儿

原帖由 Vicki0433126492 于 2008-10-31 10:54 发表

Question: 1+1=?

Bookkeeper: 1+1=2

Accountant: 1+1=-1

Bookkeeper: ??!!

这个是你的解释？(monkey13) 专业人士给点专业意见好不好？(monkey29)

Vicki0433126492

原帖由 大饼 于 2008-10-31 10:55 发表

Annual turn over < 20000，不能因为亏损抵扣个人工资收入.
这就是 detail

--I agree. But this is only one test. Question itself is asking or assuming ' is the cost can be deductable or not? ' I would say YES. But Loss might need to be carry forward. Really need more details to determine it.

Pluggedboy

Question: 1+1=?

Bookkeeper: 1+1=2

Accountant: 1+1=-1

Bookkeeper:  ??!!

ATO Accountant

丹儿

原帖由 Vicki0433126492 于 2008-10-31 11:12 发表

--I agree. But this is only one test. Question itself is asking or assuming ' is the cost can be deductable or not? ' I would say YES. But Loss might need to be carry forward. Really need more detai ...

我想你做专业方面的，可能对字眼上面看得很仔细。
但我看lz的问题后，我的第一理解是楼主在询问每有收入的sole trade business发生的这个250块的成本能够放到个人退税中来抵扣lz其他个人收入应该缴纳的个人所得税。所以我们的回答都是不能。
你提到的这个expense curry on，没有错，但是没有回答楼主的问题，我觉得啊。

休

原帖由 Vicki0433126492 于 2008-10-31 11:12 发表

--I agree. But this is only one test. Question itself is asking or assuming ' is the cost can be deductable or not? ' I would say YES. But Loss might need to be carry forward. Really need more detai ...

给你提个建议,直接回答问题,更能获得网友认同.

Vicki0433126492

Can't win here...

come to my office, I will show you how to 退!

丹儿

原帖由 Vicki0433126492 于 2008-10-31 12:11 发表
Can't win here...

come to my office, I will show you how to 退!

i'm really interested. will arrange time with you if the consulting is free of charge...(monkey27)
any chance to let me know by PM me? thanks.

happysee

原帖由 Vicki0433126492 于 2008-10-31 12:11 发表
Can't win here...

come to my office, I will show you how to 退!

将欲取之 必先与之

eagleowl

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eagleowl

丹儿说的也是对的. 不过专业人士也不错.  有些费用可以defer的.
他那个网刚搞, 今年四个测试没一个能过,  当然不能报, 但明年如果他能过了. 还是可以报的. 最容易过的就是不是turnover test 了

wingouyang

那四个测试阿，在哪里可以找到阿

Vicki0433126492

原帖由 wingouyang 于 2008-11-4 19:31 发表
那四个测试阿，在哪里可以找到阿

When can you deduct a loss?
You can offset a loss from a business activity against other income if you pass one of the following tests:

have an assessable income from the activity of at least $20,000
have produced a profit in three out of the past five years
use real property or an interest in real property worth at least $500,000 on a continuing basis, or
use other assets worth at least $100,000 on a continuing basis.

chocachu

i BELIEVE VIKI IS TOTALLY INCORRECT.....YOU CAN'T CLAIM THAT AS A PERSONAL DEDUCTION AT ALL

bubbletea

from my point of view,
1) the cost can not be ducted for this current year, unless you have passed the test.
2) the cost you have spent can became loss of the business and being carried forward, from memorry, max 5 years.
3) however, you can claim the GST back, say $25, this claim is different to financial tax return.

am i rite or wrong? proof it