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[信息讨论] 澳洲将面临经济衰退? [复制链接]

发表于 2008-8-2 09:22 |显示全部楼层
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Robert Gottliebsen

In the current business downturn it’s important to understand that the Australian economy is being battered with a rare combination of blows.

We have higher official rates; then we have further interest rate rises because overseas borrowing is costing more; then we have constraints on the availability of credit; we have a population where there is a growing emphasis on contractual employment leading to a slump in income for a vast number of Australians at the same time as essential costs of living like food and petrol have gone up.

To that list we can add the problem NSW economy, which is in a mess because of bad management. Such a vicious attack on the economy is very rare. Similar problems were encountered in the 1960's while the interest rate crunch of the late 1980’s was equally severe.

With all of these blows raining down on the economy it is not surprising that retail sales have slumped, building activity has declined rapidly, dwelling prices are falling in some areas and problem mortgages are on the rise.

There are a lot of enterprises out there who depend on discretionary spending that are bleeding. Not only is demand down but they are being hit with higher costs which they can’t pass on. Truck drivers who can't pass on higher fuel and other costs are protesting on the roads. Others are bleeding just as hard, they aren't as visible but they have slashed their expenditures all the same. With so many difference forces in play there is a risk that the Reserve Bank will overshoot the mark.

Australia’s inflation rate is very high and we are about to see whether a major slow down actually reduces inflation. It won’t be quick because Chinese labour costs are rising and prices are moving with them. The Australian market has been alerted that a rate cut is in the wind. But the Reserve Bank does not want to rekindle the housing boom because so much money is being spent on infrastructure and mineral projects. In my view, these are all very good reasons for rates to remain high.
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退役斑竹 2008年度奖章获得者

发表于 2008-8-2 09:33 |显示全部楼层
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another recession Australia has to have?

发表于 2008-8-2 10:08 |显示全部楼层
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经济衰退(Recession),宏观经济学上通常定义为“在一年中,一个国家的国内生产总值(GDP)增长连续两个或两个以上季度出现下跌”。但是这个定义并未被全世界各国广泛接受。比如,美国国家经济研究局就将经济衰退定义成更为模糊的“大多数经济领域内的经济活动连续几个月出现下滑”。

While the Reserve Bank takes a largely benign view of the unfolding credit crisis, believing China's growth will insulate us from its worst consequences, others are less sanguine.

Morgan Stanley's chief market strategist Gerard Minack introduced a brief to clients saying, "I'm bearish - really bearish."

He argues that Australia will be dragged into recession by a slowing world economy, the tightening grip of the credit crisis, and the effects of the Reserve Bank's succession of interest rate hikes.

Economists are often trapped by the inertia of the moment, failing to see the magnitude of both booms and busts and being forced into constant revisions of their forecasts.

This makes Minack, who takes a long view, worth listening to.

He argues that the market is coming to the end of its fifth bull run since the beginning of the 20th century.

As the chart (which adjusts the all-ordinaries index for inflation) shows, the bear markets that followed, produced falls in the region of 50 per cent and lasted for two to three years.

The problem is not that the market is overvalued, relative to earnings, but rather that earnings are themselves inflated and headed for a fall.

Based on profit figures back to 1970, earnings are 44 per cent above their long-term trend.

In the three recessions since then, real earnings per share fell by between 36 and 65 per cent from peak to trough.

"You've got to argue that earnings do revert to their mean. On almost every measure we've got for earnings, be it profit share of GDP, return on assets or margins, it looks unsustainable," he says.

Earnings have been inflated by spendthrift households running down their savings. While the Reserve Bank has argued that fears about housing debt are without foundation because household balance sheets are strong, Minack says the picture looks a lot worse when you look instead at household cash flow.

The latest annual national accounts show the household sector remains cashflow negative, with the deficit of 3.75 per cent of GDP accounting for half the current- account deficit.

Besides, he says, household balance sheets also looked fantastic in Japan in 1990, before its lost a decade of economic growth.

Minack is not persuaded by the proposition that Australia's housing market is somehow immune from the excesses of the US.

Australians have more leverage, are as reliant upon equity extraction and base their household balance sheet on a housing stock that is far more expensive than their American equivalents.

The household sector is booming at present, but is vulnerable to any reversal in fortune. The moment unemployment starts to rise, people will start defaulting on their housing loans.

The view that Australia will be saved by China and the resources boom underestimates the magnitude of the forces ranged against us.

China's growth may continue to require large flows of commodities, but commodity markets at present are being driven by speculative money that can flee as quickly as it came.

Base metals prices could fall by 40 per cent and bulk commodities by 15 per cent without heralding the end of the Chinese driven "super-cycle".

Commodity markets are facing not only the prospect of a recession in the US, but also the possibility of recessions in Japan and Britain, with a slowdown in Europe.

The long-awaited rise in the volume of mining exports will not save us, with Minack calculating it will raise GDP by, at most, 0.1 or 0.2 percentage points. The terms of trade, by contrast, has lifted GDP by about 9 per cent, while the increase in business investment caused by the resources boom has added about 3.5 percentage points.

"People react as though there is some injustice. Here we are with the market down 20 per cent, when our economy looks strong and China keeps growing," he says. "People miss the point that we're hugely wrapped up in the global credit crunch because we are one of the world's largest issuers of capital, with the most over-priced finance sector in the developed world and a rickety housing sector.

"People think we're Teflon coated because of links to China. I don't think that's true."

The point of listening to bears is that they have taken hold of the markets. Minack says if you took the spreads on credit-default swaps literally, you would be forecasting financial Armageddon. Based on the latest benchmarks for default spreads, 7.8 per cent of investment grade corporate debt in the US is expected to default, more than double the worst actual default rate in the last 40 years.

Credit markets do not expect Australia to remain immune, with default spreads on corporations here rising in line with those in Europe and the US.

Markets overshoot - and Minack believes they have - but he is not convinced they have yet reached their bottom.

It reverses the overshoot when margins were so unrealistically low that investors took on huge leverage so that they could make a return. The point about the panic in credit markets is that it affects the real economy.

"That's why there's no point in asking whether the credit markets or the equity markets have it right," he says. "Dislocation in credit markets puts a cloud over the economy and over equity."

It is an unfriendly environment for one of the world's largest debtor economies.

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发表于 2008-8-4 17:00 |显示全部楼层
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假如经济危机到来,我们应该怎么做?是否能全身而退呢?

我们应该投资什么吗?--比如说黄金?

发表于 2008-8-4 17:02 |显示全部楼层
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哈哈,这些问题要请出投资版的高手才行

发表于 2008-8-4 17:07 |显示全部楼层
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不投资就感觉要落后,可是投资了吧又怕亏损。反正我是亏了N多了。

反而放在房子里面稳定点,可是房价万一又掉了呢?好像没有安全的地方了,郁闷
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发表于 2008-8-4 18:06 |显示全部楼层
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in a long run, the property prices will go up. If you want to go for share, the banking share should also be good long term investment.

发表于 2008-8-5 13:09 |显示全部楼层
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share我就不玩了。因为已经玩完了。。。 5555555555555555555555555555

房子已经套牢了,55555555555555555555

2008年是个悲惨的年,没什么顺心的事情。什么事情都等明年吧,不知道是否更差?

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发表于 2008-8-5 13:20 |显示全部楼层
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let's hope it'll be better

发表于 2008-8-5 13:23 |显示全部楼层
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只要不是经济危机,那就是万幸了~~~

发表于 2008-8-5 13:39 |显示全部楼层
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放宽移民限制
增加移民审批速度
衰退很快就过去了
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发表于 2008-8-5 13:40 |显示全部楼层
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depends on 移民带多少钱来,找不找得到工作。

发表于 2008-8-5 15:49 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 lyrixyang 于 2008-8-5 13:09 发表
share我就不玩了。因为已经玩完了。。。 5555555555555555555555555555

房子已经套牢了,55555555555555555555

2008年是个悲惨的年,没什么顺心的事情。什么事情都等明年吧,不知道是否更差?

沪市,沪市,我是深市,我方损失惨重,收到请回答,收到请回答……
    深市,深市,我是沪市,我方已全部阵亡,这是自动留言,无需回答……
    沪市沪市.....深市深市......我是菜市我是菜市,我们这里涨个不停啊

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原帖由 北风 于 2008-8-5 13:39 发表
放宽移民限制
增加移民审批速度
衰退很快就过去了

it has very little to do with these.

发表于 2008-8-5 15:53 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 于 2008-8-5 15:49 发表

沪市,沪市,我是深市,我方损失惨重,收到请回答,收到请回答……
    深市,深市,我是沪市,我方已全部阵亡,这是自动留言,无需回答……
    沪市沪市.....深市深市......我是菜市我是菜市,我们这里涨个不停 ...

发表于 2008-8-5 15:57 |显示全部楼层
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this photo is so cute.

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发表于 2008-8-5 17:55 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 于 2008-8-5 15:49 发表

沪市,沪市,我是深市,我方损失惨重,收到请回答,收到请回答……
    深市,深市,我是沪市,我方已全部阵亡,这是自动留言,无需回答……
    沪市沪市.....深市深市......我是菜市我是菜市,我们这里涨个不停 ...


很形象

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意味着澳币走弱?

对于留学生来说是好事。

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如果经济危机到来,资金放在哪里最安全???

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原帖由 lyrixyang 于 2008-8-5 13:09 发表
share我就不玩了。因为已经玩完了。。。 5555555555555555555555555555

房子已经套牢了,55555555555555555555

2008年是个悲惨的年,没什么顺心的事情。什么事情都等明年吧,不知道是否更差?


客观的讲,说明转折点来了。。。可以入市了。。

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原帖由 于 2008-8-5 15:49 发表

沪市,沪市,我是深市,我方损失惨重,收到请回答,收到请回答……
    深市,深市,我是沪市,我方已全部阵亡,这是自动留言,无需回答……
    沪市沪市.....深市深市......我是菜市我是菜市,我们这里涨个不停 ...


laugh with tears...haha and sigh....
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原帖由 qqyang 于 2008-8-5 13:40 发表
depends on 移民带多少钱来,找不找得到工作。



这个ms对整个经济总体影响不是太大吧
Dont complain about life!

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