到底是sole trader 还是partnership 还是company呢

wininau

困惑中。。。。。

开店到底是哪种形式比较好呢 看了坛子里的一些帖子 还是拿不定主意

请各位前辈明教

stephenqiu

是什么店呢？预计的营业规模如何？你或你的partner有其他的收入吗？

goodman111

想要规避一定风险的话,公司好一点,税率稳定在30%, 其他的形式是100%个人责任, 从税务角度讲,公司交过的税还可以作为股息发还给股东

aicjt

主要还是看你的营业额

wininau

多谢各位
是连锁生意 taking50多万吧 夫妻一方经营 一方工作

wininau

但是company的报税比较麻烦 注册费、会计成本也比较高 还有公司法的约束。。

shuangchao

原帖由 wininau 于 2010-4-19 21 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              2010-4-19 21      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:27 发表
多谢各位
是连锁生意 taking50多万吧 夫妻一方经营 一方工作

have you considered using trust? trust is more popular due to its flexibility in terms of distributing income. with a business that has a turnover of only 500k, the benefit of company's capped 30% tax rate is not significant.

yayaer

哪位给解释一下trust到底好在哪儿呢？ 不懂

同样请教以上各种的区别，本坛无专门介绍的帖子。

shuangchao

原帖由 yayaer 于 2010-4-19 23 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              2010-4-19 23      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:20 发表
哪位给解释一下trust到底好在哪儿呢？ 不懂

同样请教以上各种的区别，本坛无专门介绍的帖子。

trust is ultimately governed by the trust deed, therefore a good accountant will work with the lawyers to draft the best deed tailor to the individual's situation. unfortunately, this is a poor understood area by many accountant, therefore it is not commonly used by alot of the smaller firms.
trust has the ability to stream income, even at a basic level, it can decide on different level of profit to go to its beneficiary every year, based on these beneficiary's other income levels. whereas in a company, it is often difficult to achieve this level of flexibility, even if we do this via dividend, it is limited by the shareholding, if we do it via wages, it often means extra super/workcover payments. in addition, with capital gain realised in the trust, it can enjoy the 50% general capital gain discount just like an individual, where as companies can not.
As i said before, due to the fact that trust is ultimately governed by the trust deed, there will be problems if the accountant who creates the trust for you don't even read the deed. fortunately, most of the generic deed we purchase from good law firms will be able to handle average mum and dad's business. For anyone with specific requirements, speak with a good accountant. unlike companies which is governed by the corp act, trust is government by the deed which can varies greatly depending on the person drafting it.

Eucalypt

原帖由 shuangchao 于 2010-4-19 23:07 发表


have you considered using trust? trust is more popular due to its flexibility in terms of distributing income. with a business that has a turnover of only 500k, the benefit of company's capped 30% ...

what if it's a small family of three where I have limited beneficiary for income distribution, would you still recommend a trust structure? thanks.

shuangchao

原帖由 Eucalypt 于 2010-4-20 13:09 发表

what if it's a small family of three where I have limited beneficiary for income distribution, would you still recommend a trust structure? thanks.

yes, trust is widely used nowadays for the benefits i described above, it is still worthwhile setting it up for a family of your size, assuming the accounting fee is reasonable and you get the right advise.

wininau

trust? 啥是trust 啊？
澳洲生意不是只有三种形式吗 sole trader  \partnership\company ??

marsli800

嗯，trust是一个好的选择。sole trader的收入就要全部给到一个人，在tax planning上不好做

eagleoverberlin

trust and partnership, which is better under different circumstance

wininau

找到解了
Available business structures in Victoria


Sole trader — a single person operating a business personally under their own name or registered business name

Partnership — two or more persons in business together under their own names or a registered business name

Company — a registered legal entity with the right to do business in its own right: the proprietors are the shareholders and usually its directors and employees

Trading Trust — usually a company that operates a business for the benefit of certain beneficiaries

Cooperative — a registered legal entity like a company but there must be at least five shareholders and all shareholders have equal voting rights

Incorporated Association — a registered legal entity usually for recreational, cultural or charitable purposes with at least five members and all profits applied to the purposes of the association.

wininau

看来trust是个不错的选择
多谢david
可是partnership呢 有人说夫妻用partnership比较好 一方生意报亏 可以为另一方的工作收入减税

LENNY_DONG

if u want to claim loss must statisfy the four test

most of business will not always satisfy the test that is why do not think loss will help you save tax, u just keep loss(also bcoz new turnover test)

wininau

不懂....
trust 和 partnership 有什么区别呢

Money

夫妻两个，没有其他合伙人，没有其他家庭成员（好像是16还是18以上）……
要个屁trust，set up一个trust就要几千，好好看看trust的解释，如果你英文可以的话

连锁生意50万以上，你还要sole trader? partnership? 除了税务上的问题不说（坛子里那么多学会计的，随便问），别人肯定不会批给你这种连锁生意，门都没有……

《company的报税比较麻烦 注册费、会计成本也比较高 还有公司法的约束。。》
这个你都嫌弃的话，请不要碰任何生意，别浪费钱财和精力，别损人不利己，哥们

wininau

原帖由 Money 于 2010-4-20 20:14 发表
夫妻两个，没有其他合伙人，没有其他家庭成员（好像是16还是18以上）……
要个屁trust，set up一个trust就要几千，好好看看trust的解释，如果你英文可以的话

连锁生意50万以上，你还要sole trader? partner ...

哥们 那你的意思是company比较合适？

我不是嫌麻烦 我只是想找一个最适合我们最有利的注册登记方式 各种方式的优缺点我都要想到 您说是不是这么个理儿？


“连锁生意50万以上，你还要sole trader? partnership? 除了税务上的问题不说（坛子里那么多学会计的，随便问），别人肯定不会批给你这种连锁生意，门都没有……”

——这句不是很懂 主谓宾分析半天 也没读懂 请明示

Money

我手真贱，竟然回这个帖   


“连锁生意50万以上，你还要sole trader? partnership? 除了税务上的问题不说（坛子里那么多学会计的，随便问），别人肯定不会批给你这种连锁生意，门都没有……”
——这句不是很懂 主谓宾分析半天 也没读懂 请明示


给你说明：
1，sole trader，无限责任制，和个人相关，个人承担所有责任和义务，适合年收入7.5万（也可能是7万，会计比我清楚）以下的小生意者，多数是提供service的人，翻译可能有误，请去comsummer affairs， melbourne city office……

2，partnership，无限责任制，和合伙人相关，合伙双方承担所有责任和义务，适合单人年收入7.5万（也可能是7万，会计比我清楚）以下的小生意者，多数是提供service的人，翻译可能有误，请去comsummer affairs， melbourne city office……

3， sole trader，partnership，company和trust的详细解释在comsummer affairs， melbourne city office 中有免费的小册子可以拿，你甚至可以直接跑去咨询，别在这里浪费时间

4， 连锁生意50万以上的要求，不知道你有没有去谈过？他们有什么要求，一问就知道，资金方面，信用方面，担保方面，历史纪录方面，甚至理想的店铺位置。我个人理解，50万以上的生意，一般的小猫小狗玩不起，如果你勉强要玩，就要装，装B，知道不？要装的和真的一样，真的是什么样呢？看下帖

Money

真相就在comsummer affairs， melbourne city office 中
这里的很多信息都是公开的，何必去问网上的路人，网下的路人，专业人士（付费的，免费的）都在那里等你去问，除非你心中有其他的小算盘……

wininau

.....你确定知道我要买的是个taking50万的二手生意？

一个小milkbar一年的taking都有20多万了啊 taking50万一定要装b的大猫大狗才能玩吗

我只是想向论坛里的前辈们讨些经验 听人话吃饱饭嘛

我问过会计 银行等专业人士 再问问坛子里如您一样的草根大侠 集思广益嘛

anyway 谢谢你 我这就去city  回见

小老虎

很用用的信息 好帖别沉了

小老虎

原帖由 Money 于 2010-4-20 20:14 发表
夫妻两个，没有其他合伙人，没有其他家庭成员（好像是16还是18以上）……
要个屁trust，set up一个trust就要几千，好好看看trust的解释，如果你英文可以的话

连锁生意50万以上，你还要sole trader? partner ...

set up一个trust就要几千？

是否company 价格的低，还能达到同样多的效果。

小老虎

原帖由 shuangchao 于 2010-4-19 23:07 发表


have you considered using trust? trust is more popular due to its flexibility in terms of distributing income. with a business that has a turnover of only 500k, the benefit of company's capped 30% ...

David 陈 的会计办公的地址在BOX HILL 哪里？

oceangoing

好热烈阿