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[自购小窝] 澳洲房价差不多世界第一了,收入世界第几? [复制链接]

发表于 2009-10-7 21:46 |显示全部楼层
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我问过几个老外朋友,和我在别的国家的同学,感觉好像澳洲的平均工资(5万5澳元)比其他英语国家,美国英国加拿大都要高一截啊,差不多高20%-30%,失业率也比他们强好多,澳洲只有5点多,美国都快到10了。谁知道和其他国家比怎么样呢?日本啊,瑞士什么的

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澳洲的房价世界第一? 那上海深圳香港的房价排第几了?

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澳洲的房价世界第一? 那上海深圳香港的房价排第几了?



我们说的是一个国家,不要把拿几个城市说事,可笑

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可是澳洲就只有这么几个城市呀。。。。。。。

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差不多20%-30%失业率?楼主搞错了吧

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楼主一定是没有去过日本,香港,阿联酋。。。。
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英国,法国大城市的房价都远高于悉尼。。。。

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在澳洲的边远地区可以买到好便宜的房子,如果以一个国家论,澳洲的房价肯定是低的,因为澳洲也就是几个首府房价高。

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lz20-30%的失业率数据是从哪来得?

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lz的气场很像卡哥.....

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澳洲第一我很骄傲,楼主我挺你
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这有数据支持吗?

首先5w5澳币会比其他国家高一截吗?然后房价也不觉得就算世界上很高的。然后失业率上个月也不到6%阿?

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楼主一定不是一个很认真的人。

   我看到别人的论点,如果我有兴趣,我会去仔细验证他/她的参考是否准确。

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Why Australia has world's most expensive houses
November 13, 2007


Australia is now a world leader in unaffordable housing - and none of the major parties are tackling the core reasons. Ben Schneiders reveals how other countries deal with the housing dilemma.

JODIE Koch has made a decision. She'll skip the mortgage, opt out of the housing market and rent for now.

Koch, 32, is not a struggling average earner. She has a professional job in marketing, earns an above-average income and has a budget of $350,000. Yet she cannot afford the two-bedroom flat she wants.

As recently as seven years ago, Koch's budget would have bought her two median-priced, two-bedroom flats in East St Kilda, where she lives and would like to buy. Today, her budget doesn't even buy her one flat, with the average apartment in inner Melbourne now selling for more than $400,000.

"The market has just gone far too high, even if the market stabilises now it's still above my limit," Koch says.

There has been extensive coverage of rocketing prices in Melbourne and Australia, and it appears there is something to complain about. Prices in Melbourne have more than doubled in a decade. And interest rates in Australia are now the sixth-highest in the OECD. They are higher than in Britain, US and most of the EU. If Ms Koch lived in many parts of the US she could expect to pay half as much for a house or apartment, when compared to her income, as she would here. Even in Britain, with the exception of places such as London, she would pay a smaller share of her income to buy.

A survey by consultants Demographia released this year found that Australians paid 6.6 times the median household income for a median-priced home. In New Zealand, Ireland and Britain a median-priced home cost between 5.5 and six times the median yearly household income. In the US and Canada it was between three and four times. An affordable market is regarded as about three times income.

Economists point out that the past decade has seen affordability decline in most of the developed world. One reason is a sustained worldwide economic expansion, says ANZ chief economist Saul Eslake. "We are living in what is the strongest period in above-trend growth the world has seen for 30 years," he says.

Growth, combined with steep falls in interest rates in the 1990s and easier access to finance, has meant a surge in house prices. Yet despite this worldwide trend, things are worse in Australia. Experts point to a number of reasons.

One that neither major party wants to tackle are the generous tax concessions to investors, such as negative gearing and the capital gains tax cuts, which housing experts say encourage speculation rather than long-term investment.

Many comparable countries have tax incentives for landlords, but the incentives require an outcome — whether it is cheap rent, quality of stock, that the property be available for long-term rent, or environmental sustainability.

In the US, most housing policy is done at a local level, with the planning system often used to encourage affordable development. But the US Federal Government also plays a role and since 1934 has guaranteed mortgages at low cost.

In Britain, local government sets targets so that a portion of development is affordable, something that is uncommon here. That allows councils to negotiate with developers to enable projects to include an affordable element depending on the size of the development and its location.

In Australia, investment in housing — helped by the tax incentives — is dominated by a small landlord class that is largely unique to this country, and the side effect is the absence of large institutional investors in rental housing. Bigger investors could provide stability of ownership, targeted projects and allow longer-term tenure.

Another issue rarely discussed is immigration. Australia, for its population size, has one of the largest immigration programs in the world, adding to demand for housing. Combined with a development sector that is not building enough houses — the sector says this is due to excessive taxes and charges as well as restrictive land release policies — there is now a fear that the lack of building is creating housing shortages.

Australia's policies on public or subsidised housing also lag behind comparable countries. The average amount of social housing for the OECD countries is about 15 per cent, says Swinburne University's Terry Burke. Australia has around 5 per cent.

Countries such as Sweden and the Netherlands have up to 40 per cent of their housing stock held in a combination of public and private models. The Dutch and Swedish approaches do not favour ownership over renting, says Burke. "They have a tenure-neutral policy, which is to provide assistance to any tenure that fits their lifestyle, whereas we have been obsessed with home ownership as the one appropriate tenure."

Even tenancy advocates admit that the mood is not right here for a European-style model, yet declining levels of affordability are forcing people into renting for much longer than previous generations.

"We are going to have a lot more Australians living in private rental," says Burke.

"So we are going to have to have a lot more policy shaping for the rental sector."

There are other issues which are particular to Australia. Here the pressure for houses is concentrated in a handful of cities, which pushes up prices. In Europe and the US there are many more mid-size cities where people can live, work and raise a family.

Professor Julian Disney, who chairs a coalition representing the disparate interests of the Housing Industry Association, the ACTU and the Australian Council of Social Service, says that encouraging decentralisation and regional development is an idea seldom mentioned today. Such policies are difficult politically as their dividends are reaped well into the future.

Saul Eslake does not feel there will be an improvement any time soon — short of an economic downturn that pushes prices lower. He suspects there is not much political will to tackle the problem: few of the 70 per cent of the population that owns a house or has a mortgage would look kindly upon any political party moving to push down prices.

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悉尼有很多的优势是其它地方无法比拟的,也是澳洲的优势,这是一种可持续增长的优势,澳洲要谈世界第一差太多了吧,就连香港都比不了,同样的价格在香港还要住鸽子窝呢

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澳洲人口高度集中在沿海几个城市里

美国人口可是广泛分布,所谓的房价有大量中部种玉米的州拉下去

真是看房价,悉尼和纽约,旧金山还不知道差几个级别呢
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澳洲的数据其实就是悉尼加墨尔本,两个城市而已。往多里算,也就5-6个城市。要按照国家来算,就拿这么几个城市来说话,不够份量。
光从这几个城市的房价来说,悉尼,墨尔本不算贵。如果非按国家比,那是拿苹果去比梨子。没有可比性。
要比也只能说跟澳洲以前的房价去,价格是上去了,这个无法避免。有哪个国家的房价是持续下跌的?

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原帖由 nikeshox1973 于 2009-10-7 22:10 发表
Why Australia has world's most expensive houses
November 13, 2007


Australia is now a world leader in unaffordable housing - and none of the major parties are tackling the core reasons. Ben Schne ...


November 13, 2007
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火星人真的来地球了,呵呵
都看不懂楼主到底想说什么
一会儿失业率一会儿房价一会儿收入
估计是火星密探
呵呵,开玩笑表当真

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澳洲房价好像是真比美国高,工资也比美国高

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你拿悉尼的房价跟纽约,伦敦比看谁贵,其实看这架势跟上海比都可以
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悉尼city的房价一平方米大概1万澳币,靠海的能看悉尼歌剧院或情人港就两三万澳币,好像比上海的贵吧

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悉尼city的房价一平方米大概1万澳币,靠海的能看悉尼歌剧院或情人港就两三万澳币,好像比上海的贵吧



10年没回国了吧

比中位数,上海还不能和悉尼比

比高端楼盘,那悉尼可就差远了


上海不说别的,今年一个楼盘一天6小时,200套房子卖了40几亿,至于均价千万以上的楼盘,比比皆是

悉尼的豪宅,你google earth上数都数的出来,不就是以歌剧院和大桥为中心,那个几公里为半径靠海的一圈么,其实没多少房子的
上海的房子,一个楼盘一个点,里面就是几百套过千万的在了

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尔等荒蛮之地,也敢和宇宙中心的天朝大都会比肩吗?

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原帖由 beta_caojin 于 2009-10-7 23:09 发表
尔等荒蛮之地,也敢和宇宙中心的天朝大都会比肩吗?



讲这话就没意思了

不但上海,国内基本一线城市
今年均价过千万的楼盘,都是开出来当天售罄的

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原帖由 IL_DIVO 于 2009-10-7 22:47 发表
澳洲房价好像是真比美国高,工资也比美国高

工资比美国高吗?
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澳洲房价好像是真比美国高,工资也比美国高


房价是比美国高,低收入比美国的低收入高,但是高收入比美国高收入低,而且物价贵很多
低收入人群在澳大利亚比美国幸福,但是professional在美国比在澳大利亚滋润

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澳洲房价,比英国便宜太太太多了

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澳洲什么都是世界第一!!!

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悉尼房价确实比上海,纽约都贵,当然收入也比他们都高。

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