红衣主教佩尔提出上诉，理由有三

onlysesia

佩尔主张他的定罪应该被推翻，或者重审本案，因为一个“根本上的程序不规范”让他没有当着陪审团的面做出不认罪表态。

去年12月份，佩尔被认定其1996年担任大主教期间在East Melbourne的圣帕特里克大教堂走廊上性侵了两名13岁唱诗班少年。上诉法庭披露了佩尔的上诉理由。

由佩尔的大律师Robert Richter QC提交的上诉状上写道：“本案审理过程中有根本上的不规范，因为被告人没能按照要求在陪审团面前出现。”

2月21日提交的上诉状上列举了三条理由。

佩尔还指出陪审团依赖一名受害人的孤证。

上诉状说：“从证据角度说，定罪是不合理的，不可以被支持，因为包括来自20名控方证人的无懈可击脱罪证据在内的完整证据并没有呈交给陪审团，让陪审团仅靠苦主单方证言就超越了合理怀疑。”

如果上诉庭同意这个论点，可能会撤销这个案子。

佩尔还指出郡法院法官Peter Kidd 错误地以客观不能为由不让辩方在辩护中使用“移动视觉展示”。

控方曾反对使用这个视觉展示，并把它与网游Pacman相提并论。

佩尔现在人在监狱，将在3月13日判决后继续上诉。

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news ... -video-ng-s-1928196

澳盗

哎

onlysesia

归纳一下：
1. 没让佩尔当面对陪审团做不认罪表态；
2. 没给陪审团全部证据，陪审团靠苦主一边倒的证言定罪；
3. 没让辩方使用一种视觉展示

mikelee19

能成功吗

LoveSong

网游Pacman??

好像公诉人说那个展示教堂位置的视频有误导性，难道跟他们想象的不一样就叫误导？ 一直很迷惑，按说做完弥撒，存放圣器的屋子不是会一直有人进进出出，主持弥撒的人难道不需要去跟周围的人寒暄？

igotowhere

具体什么视觉展示展示啊？

感觉这个上诉很敷衍了事啊，应该没戏

83447557

受害者是值得同情， 可这个案难道没有其他受害者？

onlysesia

igotowhere 发表于 2019-3-1 09:15
具体什么视觉展示展示啊？

感觉这个上诉很敷衍了事啊，应该没戏

我觉得这三条都很有力

astina

这个视觉展示是用动画展示当时教堂的三维图，以点点表示人物的移动，来还原当时的场景，证明发生这样的事情是不是可能。

法庭驳回了这个证据，没有让辩方展示，说这会给陪审团认为这就是fact的误导印象

astina

昨天看新闻说辩方可能还会挑战陪审团的成员组成，但是这条他们现在没提了

吃鱼不吐骨头

astina 发表于 2019-3-1 12:29
昨天看新闻说辩方可能还会挑战陪审团的成员组成，但是这条他们现在没提了 ...

这很搞笑啊。一般不都是让辩方自己挑陪审团成员吗。

LoveSong

不知道陪审团是否意识形态上支持保守的天主教所一直反对的  估计提了，法庭也认为不相关

astina

吃鱼不吐骨头 发表于 2019-3-1 12:31
这很搞笑啊。一般不都是让辩方自己挑陪审团成员吗。

比如陪审员是否是受害人的亲友之类等信息

现在没用这条理由估计是没有实锤

icelemontea

83447557 发表于 2019-3-1 12:19
受害者是值得同情， 可这个案难道没有其他受害者？

有
16年审查时涉及6到10名男孩子
还有其他地点影院游泳池
还有02年一起。
我认为是警方和调查人员认为事实有罪，但能进入司法程序就难了，能进入法律有罪，只有这两个男孩子的。

Pippa

LoveSong 发表于 2019-3-1 12:12
网游Pacman??

好像公诉人说那个展示教堂位置的视频有误导性，难道跟他们想象的不一样就叫误导？ 一直 ...

可能时间非常短……大家以为主教上厕所……

icelemontea

律师那个新闻，我就纳闷他怎么可能这么快认罪，
从一开始，面对那么多男孩子的指控，他就死咬自己无罪。估计到死都说自己无罪的。这样总会有人相信他被冤枉的。

Pippa

在走廊性侵，这个太胆肥了啊！孩子当时不知道有没有告诉父母呢？

蚝

听完苦主描述，觉得真是丧心病狂的人选择那个时间那个地点

cangaru

被告人不按要求在最后陪审团面前出现，这个应该赖被告人自己啊，怎么会赖陪审团

icelemontea

记得spotlight里一个成人以后结婚事业不错可一被问童年性侵经历，就崩溃了。
是否童年有性侵，真假不难辨别，因为心态痛苦程度精神状态不一样，何况警察和皇家委员会都是是有经验的办案人员。在法律上不希望再让这只老狐狸逃脱了。受害人一定是等了好多年正义得伸张的一天。

sim818

沒有强而有力的证据会入得他罪？他不是普通人

flyinfree

astina 发表于 2019-3-1 12:29
昨天看新闻说辩方可能还会挑战陪审团的成员组成，但是这条他们现在没提了 ...

真无耻，陪审员不是随机选择的吗？他丫的还有脸要求审核陪审员的身份？？？这。。。。。。

gjc

让他对着上帝说实话

koala2008

icelemontea 发表于 2019-3-1 12:34
有
16年审查时涉及6到10名男孩子
还有其他地点影院游泳池

你说得这个有出处吗？

如果有多人都指控主教，那就容易实锤

现在就一个孤证，总是觉得难以信服

koala2008

sesia 发表于 2019-3-1 12:06
归纳一下：
1. 没让佩尔当面对陪审团做不认罪表态；
2. 没给陪审团全部证据，陪审团靠苦主一边倒的证言定罪 ...

虽然是陪审团决定有没有罪，但法官决定庭审的过程，通过决定哪些证据可以呈现给陪审团，影响整个陪审团

icelemontea

koala2008 发表于 2019-3-1 13:08
你说得这个有出处吗？

如果有多人都指控主教，那就容易实锤

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pell

2002 allegation
In June 2002, Pell was accused by a Melbourne man of having sexually abused a 12-year-old boy at a Catholic youth camp in 1961, whilst he was a yIoung seminarian. Pell denied the accusations and stood aside while the inquiry continued.[171] The complainant agreed to pursue his allegations through the church's own process for dealing with allegations of sexual misconduct, the National Committee for Professional Standards. Retired Victorian Supreme Court Justice Alec Southwell, appointed Commissioner by the church to investigate the matter, found that the complainant, despite his long criminal record, had mostly given the impression of "speaking honestly from actual recollection" but concluded as follows: "bearing in mind the forensic difficulties of the defence occasioned by the very long delay, some valid criticism of the complainant's credibility, the lack of corroborative evidence and the sworn denial of the respondent, I find I am not 'satisfied that the complaint has been established'".[172][173] Pell said he had been exonerated, while the complainant's solicitor said his client had been vindicated.[173]

Victoria Police investigations
In March 2013, Victoria Police launched "Operation Tethering", to investigate whether Pell had committed unreported crimes.[174] On 20 February 2016, the Herald Sun newspaper reported that Pell had been under investigation for the past year by detectives from the Victoria Police SANO Taskforce over sexual abuse allegations involving between five and ten boys that occurred between 1978 and 2001 when he was a priest in Ballarat and when archbishop of Melbourne.[175] His office issued a public statement denying the allegations calling them "utterly false" and asked for an inquiry into the leaking of information by Victoria Police officers to the media.[175] Victoria Police remained silent on whether Pell was being investigated.[175] The SANO Taskforce was established in 2012 to investigate allegations arising from the Victorian Government Inquiry into the Handling of Child Abuse by Religious and other Organisations and the subsequent Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.[175][176]

On 28 July 2016, the Chief Commissioner of Victoria Police, Graham Ashton, confirmed that there was an investigation into alleged child sexual abuse by Pell following a report by the ABC's 7.30 program the previous day and stated that he was awaiting advice from the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).[177][178][179] On 17 August 2016, Victoria Police confirmed a response had been received from the DPP, but would not disclose the DPP's recommendations.[180]

In October 2016, three Victoria Police officers from the SANO Task Force flew to Rome to interview Pell, who voluntarily participated, regarding allegations of sexual assault.[181] In February 2017, Victoria Police advised that the brief of evidence against Pell for sexual assault allegations had been returned to the Office of Public Prosecutions for review with advice subsequently provided to Victoria Police in May 2017.[182][183]

Criminal charges and conviction
On 29 June 2017, Victoria Police charged Pell with sexual assault offences with several counts and several victims.[10] At a press conference, Pell stated that he would return to Australia and that "I'm looking forward, finally, to having my day in court" and "I'm innocent of those charges. They are false".[21][184] On 26 July 2017, whilst not required to attend in person, he appeared at the Melbourne Magistrates' Court for a filing hearing represented by barrister Robert Richter and, although not required at this stage of the court committal process, he entered a plea of not guilty.[185][186] An application by the media seeking the public disclosure of the details of the charges was refused by the magistrate.[185]

At a procedural hearing on 22 November 2017, Pell's lawyers requested documents from ABC News journalist Louise Milligan and Melbourne University Press relating to a book named Cardinal: the Rise and Fall of George Pell which was published in early 2017.[187]

In January 2018, a man who had accused Pell of sexual abuse died after a long illness. Former chief Victorian magistrate Nicholas Papas said that the man's death would affect the structure of Pell's court case, and stated that in a case of historical sexual abuse it can "seriously affect the case" due to a lack of witnesses.[188] That charge was withdrawn on the Friday before the committal hearing was due to begin.[189] Pell's lawyers requested and were denied the personal medical information of the complainants.[190] Pell's defence was reported to be based on questioning the timing of allegations.[191] Some other charges were dropped after a complainant was ruled medically unfit to give evidence.[192]

The committal hearing to determine whether there was enough evidence to commit him to stand trial commenced on 5 March 2018.[193][194] The committal hearing allowed for approximately fifty witnesses to give evidence, including former choirboys.[195][193] The magistrate allowed Pell's barrister to cross-examine all but five witnesses.[193] As a result, the hearing was scheduled to allow for four weeks of testimony and cross-examination.[196] Pell's barrister said the matter would go to trial and that some of the allegations, those involving St Patrick's Cathedral, were impossible.[195][194][197]

On 1 May 2018, Pell was committed to stand trial on several historical sexual offence charges. Magistrate Belinda Wallington concluded that there was enough evidence for the case to proceed on about half of the charges. Allegations that Pell committed sexual assault in a Ballarat cinema during the screening of a film was among the charges dismissed.[198] Pell entered pleas of not guilty to the remaining charges.[22][199] As a bail condition, Pell surrendered his Vatican passport and is not permitted to leave Australia.[200][201]

83447557

icelemontea 发表于 2019-3-1 12:34
有
16年审查时涉及6到10名男孩子
还有其他地点影院游泳池

谢谢，
只是因为要去做义工， 也是跟孩子有关的， 培训的人千叮万嘱，要当心同样做义工的人，如觉的对孩子有危险要汇报，

任何时候都不可跟孩子单独相处， 如必须这种情况，必须要让其他人先知道， 和在开放的场地， 不可关门，

另外也提起， 他们有个case， 孩10-12岁， 想get away with something, 告诉做义工的人（当时是1对1 开放场地）， “if you would not let me doing it , I will tell my parents , you are abuse me"!  

所以都很难讲， 如果还有其孩也控告他， 我会相信

koala2008

icelemontea 发表于 2019-3-1 13:50
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pell

2002 allegation

奇怪的是警察调查了那么多人，竟没有形成指控，难道都不靠谱?
只有等着看上诉法院的判决了

igotowhere

gjc 发表于 2019-3-1 13:03
让他对着上帝说实话

同学，这是法院，
不是教堂，
上帝在法院是不存在的

igotowhere

Pippa 发表于 2019-3-1 12:39
可能时间非常短……大家以为主教上厕所……

上次SBS有个节目讲人的性需求差异非常大。
有个人说，他经常在上班的时候，去厕所解决问题。