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[个股讨论] 再次买入了ANZ,说什么也不会再卖了- 更新 2015-11- 10 [复制链接]

发表于 2015-10-30 10:38 |显示全部楼层
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刚刚27.10进了ANZ,前两次手欠,给卖了,这次说什么也留着了,再跌就再买,赔光了算。


2015-11-10

已经在24.50 挂了1000的买单了,最好能再下来一些,现在仓位很少,就等着下来了。下一个卖进的价位是22.00 1000.

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我也买了,27.02,算上分红,已经是52个月的最低点了。
分红,年回报率已经超过7%,再跌也不怕,就当存款了。

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还好吧。买银行股就长期持有,不是用来TRADE的。长期拿股息加FC。也挺好的。
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ANZ税后净利润都70亿了,分红也创历史新高,真没觉得有什么理由会大跌。

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今天包括jp morgan几个机构对其价格降级。Morningstar保持不变
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will be a bad announcement in march next yr i guess

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我之前也是手欠,打算是长期持有,又经常把持不住给卖掉…………

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27以下可以增持

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真的 吗? 是不是我也该去买点澳洲股票啊,对中国的股票失去信心了。
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开始反弹了
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一直没买银行股,再观察一会儿~~~

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我多等一个交易日。上轮忙,没顾得过来。

如果触底反弹,bhp,anz都可以短炒。

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20vt 发表于 2015-10-30 12:05
今天包括jp morgan几个机构对其价格降级。Morningstar保持不变

指导价多少?
我不是跟你霍胖,我就是胖

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交易人生 发表于 2015-10-30 14:57
我多等一个交易日。上轮忙,没顾得过来。

如果触底反弹,bhp,anz都可以短炒。 ...

我也在等这两个股触底
我不是跟你霍胖,我就是胖

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大手 发表于 2015-10-30 14:59
指导价多少?

晨星fair value 38
能在27下低价位买入更好

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20vt 发表于 2015-10-30 15:13
晨星fair value 38
能在27下低价位买入更好

你是想说28?
我不是跟你霍胖,我就是胖

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20vt 发表于 2015-10-30 15:13
晨星fair value 38
能在27下低价位买入更好

38感觉太扯蛋了~~~
:)

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是38,跟WBC一样,如果是付费用户的话也可以看看分析报告。Moat级别高
ANZ是四大里面业务布局亚洲动作最大的,值得期待,当然也有风险。

现在澳洲几大银行正在加大将IT部门往低成本国家转移,伴随的裁员对股东应该是个好消息。

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ANZ's Asian strategy has failed




by Christopher Joye
The related banking, housing and inflation gods have conspired to make next Tuesday's Reserve Bank of Australia board meeting a "live" one, with markets putting a 50 per cent probability on a cut.
Afflicted by occasional bouts of relevance-deprivation syndrome, our monetary policy mandarins have no compunction pulling the interest rate trigger on Melbourne Cup day. For the first six years of governor Glenn Stevens' tenure, he obliged punters with a rate recalibration.
And if you feel the need to go, November is a good time. This is because banks take almost a month to adjust lending rates, which implies you have to get ahead of the festive season to influence consumer behaviour.
Even before one contemplates gouging by our banking behemoths or the deceleration in the housing bubble's expansion rate, it is straightforward to make the orthodox case for a cut:
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•        The economy is not growing rapidly enough to reduce the unemployment rate, which at 6.2 per cent is higher than the jobless rates in the United States (5.1 per cent) and Britain (5.4 per cent), and Treasury's estimate of full employment at around 5 per cent;
•        The price of our most important commodity, iron ore, has tumbled 17 per cent from $US59 a tonne in September to $US49 today while the Aussie dollar has only depreciated 1.7 per cent (even less on a trade-weighted basis);
•        A slack labour market has driven down wages growth to the lowest levels in more than 20 years; and
•        Notwithstanding a 20 per cent decline in the exchange rate since January 2014, annual core inflation surprised on the downside, at merely 2.15 per cent over the year to June, which is only a touch above the lower bound of the RBA's target band.
A November cut came into frame after Westpac's decision to jack up home loan rates by 0.20 percentage points on October 14 as compensation for the higher-equity funding costs attributable to its government-mandated deleveraging process. As this column explained at the time, there were more rate hikes to come and the three other oligarchs, which combined with Westpac account for more than 80 per cent of the market, did not disappoint. Smaller lenders such as Members Equity have also jumped on the bandwagon.
As far as the RBA is concerned, the result is an unexpected tightening of monetary policy in the interest rate-sensitive housing market, which it (rightly or wrongly) considers to be a vital source of growth, while the economy endures the headwinds induced by the "capex cliff". Naturally, there is a chance that this is actually welcomed by the RBA, given it failed to anticipate the double-digit house price inflation since 2013 that has bequeathed us the most indebted and expensive bricks and mortar in the world.
Yet the daily house price and weekly auction clearance rate data, which the RBA watches closely, suggests a cooling of Sydney housing conditions was already in train as a result of the regulator's efforts to clamp down on speculative investments and dodgy lending. While Melbourne's 70 per cent clearance rate last weekend is unchanged from 12 months ago, Sydney's 61.3 per cent rate is well below the 75 per cent mark attained in October 2014. A similar divergence can be found in the capital growth rates over September and October: whereas Sydney homes have experienced modest gains of just 0.34 per cent, Melbourne prices are up a strong 3.1 per cent.
So if Martin Place is minded to debase the risk-free rate to a new low, it can draw some comfort that the Sydney housing exuberance – and associated banking dysfunctions – have dissipated. The RBA might also assert that it is simply seeking to restore monetary policy to its former status. And if the banks only partially pass on any rate relief, which is a safe bet, policy will still remain more restrictive than it was after the RBA's May cut.
A counterargument is the RBA should wait for the US Federal Reserve's lift-off, which is likely to commence in December and would put further downward pressure on the Aussie dollar. The complication with this logic is that the Fed meeting is not until the middle of December, which is two weeks after the RBA's next caucus.
This brings us back to Glenn Stevens' maxim that if you think you should go, best to get the job done quickly or risk the economy running ahead of you. It's also worthwhile recalling that several senior RBA officials, including Guy Debelle and John Simon, have tried to convince us that the lowest interest rates in human history are entirely appropriate and unlikely to trigger financial stability troubles.
Of course, the RBA is superficially responsible for financial stability. And in this respect the big banks have been compelled by the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority (APRA) to remedy their reckless lending standards and lift their capital ratios to what increasingly resembles world-beating levels.
The speed and apparent ease with which the majors have accumulated more than $36 billion in tier 1 equity over the past year should encourage them to follow APRA boss Wayne Byres' advice to do more while they can. This week ANZ and NAB reported internationally harmonised "leverage ratios" of 5.7 per cent and 6.0 per cent respectively, which is above the 5.5 per cent target I had nominated and will push them close to the top quartile of global peers. (The four majors all appear to be top quartile on a risk-weighted tier 1 capital basis.) Both banks also published total loss-absorbing capacity (TLAC) ratios of around 18 per cent, which implies they will have no difficulty complying with the incoming TLAC rules after 2019.
One worry is ANZ's Asian expansion strategy, which I have criticised for years as a source of entirely unnecessary risk. "What comparative advantage do Australian bankers have competing in Asian territories," I have repeatedly asked. The history of the major banks' offshore forays, with NAB's UK banking disaster the most recent case study, suggests absolutely none.
If neither NAB nor APRA can prudently monitor and manage credit risks in a country like Britain, which has similar political, legal, cultural, and banking conventions to our own, what hope do they have in China, India, Singapore, or Indonesia? The chickens have now come home to roost. ANZ's boss Mike Smith has been forced to describe his own 16 per cent return on equity target as "a bridge too far" as his misguided Asian adventures run amok with a $650 million spike in bad debts.  
"ANZ's claims of a low-risk Asian expansion have been proven false," says Merrill Lynch banking analyst Andrew Hill. "ANZ led us to believe that its expansion into Asia was low risk, but in [the second half of 2015] we saw the institutional bank's new impaired assets treble," he continued. "If two exposures can cause so much damage, what happens if systemic problems arise, as appears likely given Asian macro and commodity prices?"
Australian bank credit exposures to Asia have jumped from less than $25 billion ($50 billion) in 2005 (2010) to more than $175 billion today, according to the RBA. While the return on assets on these foreign investments has always been lower than the banks' domestic activities, chief executives are lemming-like in their preparedness to ignore history and blindly search for growth overseas.
ANZ has managed to lend an incredible $100 billion throughout Asia – more than 1.6 times NAB's UK exposures or 3.7 times the amount NAB and Westpac lend in the region. Unless prompt action is taken, it may end in disaster ...

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ANZ亚洲市场介入太深 如果亚洲经济不景气 首当其冲

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sorry 我没有加分的权限~~but Thank you!

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生命只是两个无限死亡中的一瞬间。

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klux 发表于 2015-10-30 15:44
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搞笑吧?

现在卖BLK,感觉还不如去赌场压大小
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这种文章不知道有没有意思,感觉等我们看到时(哪怕是订阅的),高层早就知道了(该闪的闪)
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卖了没关系,是赚了还是亏了,只要赚了不手贱啊
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Poweregg 发表于 2015-10-30 15:55
卖了没关系,是赚了还是亏了,只要赚了不手贱啊

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这种文章不知道有没有意思,感觉等我们看到时(哪怕是订阅的),高层早就知道了(该闪的闪)  ...

some side dish only to share with everybody here

people may get other opinion and think twice when investing ANZ

thank you for the bonus points

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sydney668 发表于 2015-10-30 15:56
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不错,赚些外快~~~
我是29.57买的,不管了,就扔那里

IAG买的时候 5块,现在5.63而且还拿了分红。。。。

对我来说,套了,不舍得卖,涨得好,也不舍得卖,只能长期持有了
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