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发表于 2011-5-11 14:10 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 LinuxXp 于 2011-5-11 12:38 发表
鼓掌一下,牛人已经得到大家的认可,不容易呀!


哥,您有点烦。

lz 是不是牛 目前还是没看出来。

这样吧,lz不是要晒交易日志,

当然只展示价位没哈用,最好是一个价位,再把为什么要买入/卖出的原因,写下来。

当然lz 有自己的系统,是完全按照系统来的傻子方式,还是自己有相应的改变。这才能看出真功夫。
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原帖由 猎梦人 于 2011-5-11 13:08 发表


这个完全没有异议,在你说的时候我就表示过赞同了。主要是后面的趋势线那里。

因为我觉得趋势线是一个领先指标,它并依托价格但却在一些情况下领先价格。


我一直都是在说均线的问题
其实纠结的地方是趋势线能不能产生有效的support或者resistance
我们测试下来的结论是no significant evidence
个人觉得如果有了趋势线并且touch两次 第3次touch并且反弹的机会是超过50%的 但是没有办法测试

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原帖由 猎梦人 于 2011-5-11 13:08 发表


这个完全没有异议,在你说的时候我就表示过赞同了。主要是后面的趋势线那里。

因为我觉得趋势线是一个领先指标,它依托价格但却在一些情况下领先价格。


想问问趋势线是怎么画出来的?

退役斑竹

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原帖由 jasonliu234 于 2011-5-11 13:16 发表


想问问趋势线是怎么画出来的?


两句话解释不清楚。你放狗找一下《股市趋势技术分析》的电子书,里面有章节专门介绍的,图文并茂,很直观。
醒着做梦

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应该是跌。因为跌的1%的dollar value总是高过涨的。

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原帖由 猎梦人 于 2011-5-11 13:19 发表


两句话解释不清楚。你放狗找一下《股市趋势技术分析》的电子书,里面有章节专门介绍的,图文并茂,很直观。


你知道我对均线这种 一直不屑。

趋势线也不外乎基于过去的价格,划一根线出来,和均线本质差不多。。。

而且这种线,只基于价格,volume都没考虑进去,实在不能当什么指标。
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原帖由 jasonliu234 于 2011-5-11 13:25 发表


你知道我对均线这种 一直不屑。

趋势线也不外乎基于过去的价格,划一根线出来,和均线本质差不多。。。

而且这种线,只基于价格,volume都没考虑进去,实在不能当什么指标。


这种理念上的分歧实在没办法讨论,我只能说根据我这么多年的交易经验,是完全不赞同你的观点的。

另外在外汇市场上根本就没volume一说,它没有任何参考价值。
醒着做梦

退役斑竹

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原帖由 IronPivot 于 2011-5-11 13:15 发表


我一直都是在说均线的问题
其实纠结的地方是趋势线能不能产生有效的support或者resistance
我们测试下来的结论是no significant evidence
个人觉得如果有了趋势线并且touch两次 第3次touch并且反弹的机会是超过50%的 但是没有办法测试


我还是不能看明白你说的这些跟你前面提到的“价格带动了趋势线”有什么关系。

但是这样吧,我也找到了不再纠结这个问题的理由,因为你说的这些东西表明了你对趋势线和技术分析的认知和定义与我的完全不同。
醒着做梦

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好吧

暂且放下 交易方式

如果能理解趋势线是怎么画出来的,就立刻知道 是滞后的 还是真能看出趋势。。

退役斑竹

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原帖由 jasonliu234 于 2011-5-11 13:40 发表
好吧

暂且放下 交易方式

如果能理解趋势线是怎么画出来的,就立刻知道 是滞后的 还是真能看出趋势。。


我想这是因为趋势的特性和它具有的典型特征。
醒着做梦

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中饭吃了一条很恶心的鱼 吃得我想吐
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我想找一些以前写的note贴上来 发现乱七八糟的东西太多了 我过会儿稍微整理一下贴一篇上来

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我说的没有办法测试是趋势线是相对主观的东西 很难去定量 而且是touch还是break也很难说清楚 反正我们没有办法用趋势线找到交易系统 别的强人可能可以
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发表于 2011-5-11 16:28 |显示全部楼层
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要画阻力可以画一千条,要画支撑,照样可以画一千条。哪条是有效的?
阻力和支撑又都是用来破的,发起飙来可以破一千条,一万条,问题是,这还叫阻力和支撑吗?


所谓的支撑与阻力跟那些什么江恩线差不多是一回事,只不过后者立了个牌坊,事后看怎么看怎么对,事前谁也看不清楚。
波浪、江恩之所以现在还有众多追随者,说到底就是这种理论的不确定性,说难听点就是忽悠得水平高一些。

三人赶考来算命,伸出一指,喜欢的拿这当理论去膜拜,不喜欢拿这叫忽悠。
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相信TA的是因为TA让他盈利了,不相信TA的是因为TA没让他盈利。
一千个人眼中,有一千种TA

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原帖由 IronPivot 于 2011-5-11 15:02 发表
我说的没有办法测试是趋势线是相对主观的东西 很难去定量 而且是touch还是break也很难说清楚 反正我们没有办法用趋势线找到交易系统 别的强人可能可以


我觉得趋势线什么的只有撑住了才算,没有确认撑住都是假的。
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今天发现一个垃圾股票中的垃圾股票 要是能SHORT就好了

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原帖由 IronPivot 于 2011-5-11 18:17 发表
今天发现一个垃圾股票中的垃圾股票 要是能SHORT就好了


多垃圾

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晕,翻了7页了,一个日志没看到

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发现股票讨论帖这两天还不如这里热闹。。。 又爬了两栋楼,还是没正题。。楼主上啊,要不就把帖子名换了吧。。。

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原帖由 IronPivot 于 2011-5-11 12:06 发表
个人认为fund和散户的不同是fund侧重控制风险而散户侧重return
给大家做个题 如果一个股票完全是random walk 上涨1%和下跌1%的probablity都是50% 不断交易这个股票你是涨是跌


spot on... 100% agree!
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原帖由 IronPivot 于 2011-5-11 18:17 发表
今天发现一个垃圾股票中的垃圾股票 要是能SHORT就好了


要是GREENFIELD矿仙姑可以做空就好了, 这边做空, 找好机会那边实盘砸它几百刀的货, 瞬间可以GAP DOWN 15-20%的机会也是时不时可以见到。
海賊王に俺はなる!
背中の傷は、剣士の恥だ!
生きたいッ!
パンツ見せてもらってもよろしいでしょうか!
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but rather the one most adaptable to change.
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原帖由 IronPivot 于 2011-5-11 11:04 发表


scalping只是说的时间 不一定是market neutral的
现在很少有什么风险小的market neutral的系统 因为太多人做了 剩下的都是有风险的 不然就是pricing derivatives


现在很少有什么风险小的market neutral的系统 因为太多人做了 ??
Do you mean too many people use market neutral strategy and that increases the risk? Interesting, could you pls elaborate on this?

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不错,帖子越来越热闹了,lz加油

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May 11 (Bloomberg) -- Raj Rajaratnam, the hedge-fund tycoon and Galleon Group LLC co-founder at the center of a U.S. insider-trading crackdown, was found guilty of all 14 counts against him in the largest illegal stock-tipping case in a generation.

A jury of eight women and four men in Manhattan returned its verdict today after hearing evidence that Rajaratnam, 53, engaged in a seven-year conspiracy to trade on inside information from corporate executives, bankers, consultants, traders and directors of public companies including Goldman Sachs Group Inc. He gained $63.8 million, prosecutors said.

The trial came as Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara promised to crack down on “rampant” illegal trading on Wall Street. Rajaratnam was convicted on five counts of conspiracy and nine counts of securities fraud. Prosecutors today said he faces 15 1/2 years to 19 1/2 years in prison at his July 29 sentencing.

“Rajaratnam, once a high-flying billionaire and hedge fund manager, is now a convicted felon, 14 times over,” Bharara said in a statement after the verdict. “Rajaratnam was among the best and the brightest -- one of the most educated, successful and privileged professionals in the country. Yet, like so many others recently, he let greed and corruption cause his undoing.”

Jury Note

The jury, which had filled out a verdict sheet at 10:11 a.m., sent a note to U.S. District Judge Richard Holwell nine minutes later telling him it had reached a decision, according to copies of the documents released by the court.

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阿三基金经理被抓到内幕交易

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我怎么觉得 偶的耐心越来越耗尽了。

都7页了,实在没看到实质性的东西。lz不如把标题改改
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找了个去年写的分析 我说过了不是每天都有trade的 可能我是真的应该把名字改一下
Good morning,
I was having a chat with a few successful businessmen over the weekend and the one question kept coming up; who the  would buy a US 10 year bond on a 2.4% yield? Not me and not them was the answer, so lets look at who is and why they will lose a lot of money over the medium term and also a large opportunity cost in equities and other risk assets.
The benchmark US-10 year bond has fallen from over 4% in April to as low as 2.41% last week. As a result, global bond yields remain near historic lows. Consequently, the avalanche of capital flowing from equities and stock mutual funds into the apparent safety of government bonds has sparked widespread debate about a potential bond bubble. In the meantime,investors appear convinced that the historic low yields for both US Treasuries and global bonds, are indicating deflation, a double-dip global recession or possibly even a depression. I strongly disagree.
While my long-held view is that current long yields are reflective of a lower economic growth outlook for the highly indebted OECD countries, I also believe that bond yields are being artificially depressed by a confluence of other factors. Importantly,none of which indicate widespread deflation or a global depression.More importantly, I dont believe a large proportion of the vast sums flowing into Treasuries represent genuine or long term fixed interest holders. Therefore, I believe there is a strong possibility that bonds are in a bubble. Lets look at some of the issues that I believe are compressing long yields to unsustainable levels.
Currently the Fed is poised to initiate another quantitative easing (QE) policy to artificially depress US bond yields. This follows previous policies where the Fed purchased $US1.2trillion of mortgage-backed securities, and $US400m of US Treasuries to cap long yields. Clearly, the aim is to stimulate the economy, lower home mortgage rates, encourage bank lending and recapitalize bank balance sheets. More importantly however, the policy is aimed at enabling the US government to fund a massive $US12trillion national debt. As a result, the Feds balance sheet has grown alarmingly from $US750b before the GFC, to nearly $US2.5trillion currently.
Meanwhile, the ECB has implemented a similar QE program of $US850b to purchase PIGS sovereign debt with the aim of stabilizing the Euro. In addition, the BOJ and the BOE have both implemented similarly large QE polices Consequently, global central banks have embarked on a very risky path, amassing massive and unprecedented holdings of government bonds and mortgage-backed securities. Clearly this is unsustainable in the long term, and the huge pipeline of government debt issuance required to fund 100%+ sovereign debt levels will inevitably place significant upward pressure on long bond yields. At current levels I believe long bond are potentially entering a massive bubble of the same proportions as the US housing market.
In the meantime, both China and Japan continue to amass vast quantities of US treasuries (albeit at a slower rate) in order to manage their respective currencies. Incredibly, the total US government debt holdings of both countries are currently nearing $US2trillion.The massive Chinese US Treasury holdings, which are officially $US880b, but closer to $US1.2trillion given the purchases through London and HK third-party intermediaries, remain another major threat to bond yields. Currently, China requires large US dollar FX reserves given the primary reserve status of the US currency. However, giventhe Chinese government is currently initiating strategies for full Remimbi convertibility, with the aim of a long -term float and reserve currency status, the demand for US dollar-denominated assets will naturally diminish. Obviously, this strategy will be managed, but given the rising US indebtedness, clearly the risks for a long term rise in US bond yields is high. The latest filings suggest China is already reducing its US Treasury holdings into the current demand.
Yet, against the backdrop of central banks artificially depressing bond yields, and China and Japans massive self-serving US Treasury holdings, it now appears that hedge funds have made government bonds the trade du jour. According to a survey from Greenwich, hedge fund trading now accounts for 20% of the trading volume in the US treasuries. Clearly hedge funds are even less likely long term holders. However, it is very difficult for me to believe that perceived equity returns are so bad that hedge funds are trading in bonds with yields of 2.6%. When history is written, I believe it will be universally accepted that large hedge fund buying of US Treasuries marked the top of what will surely be known as Great Bond Market Bubble.
It also appears the hedge fund community has forgotten the lessons of previous bond market bubbles. It was only a little over a decade ago that Long Term Capital Management (LTCM) collapsed and nearly took a few Wall St banks with it. LTCM was using vast leverage to borrow short and invest long. That is exactly what we are seeing now, with hedge funds borrowing ultra cheap short-term money, gearing it up multiple times and buying long-term bonds to clip an interest rate arb profit. This is just such a dangerous state of affairs, but one that has precedent. That precedent didnt end well for bond carry traders or those who financed them.
In summary, I believe historic low bond yields are a clear sign of yet another potential bubble created by the easy money policies of the Fed and central banks. The Fed has already created two bubbles- a US housing market and an equity bubble-due to maintaining an ultra-low monetary policy for an extended period. Why cant the same interest rate policy create a bond market bubble? However, I believe investors are mistakenly confusing central bank policies and with doomsday economic scenarios. In the meantime, I believe a massive global rotation into bonds has resulted in a genuine pricing anomaly for equities.
As we all know many retail investors and their advisors chase performance. Up until Friday night that performance was in global bond markets.Last weekthe number of individual investors who have a bullish outlook on the US stock market for the next six months plunged to 21% from 30% . That is the lowest weekly reading from the American Association of Individual Investors since a March 2009 level of 19%. That month the S&P 500 collapsed to a 12-year low of 676 only to then rally more than 500 points over the next thirteen months!!It reminds you that you must buy the nadir of retail investor sentiment as it is always coincides with deep value in equities.
We believed the worst-case scenario is already factored into equity markets when investors expect 10- year bond yields of 2.6% will outperform equities over a decade. In this regard, it is worth noting that since 1962, the yield on the 10-year US bond has averaged about 365bp above the quarterly pace of real GDP growth. Currently it is negative. In addition, for the first time since 1962, the average yield on the Dow stocks exceeds long bonds. Also nearly 80% of the S&P 500 index possess earnings yields greater than bond yields. Currently, on just the majority of US equity yields alone, equity returns would outperform bond yields. In contrast to the consensus view, I believe bonds represent return-free risk, rather than the traditional expectation of risk-free return.
The weight of money in fixed interest has made bondsa very crowded trade.I have no doubt that the speed of the hot money exit from US treasuries, particularly at the slightest hint that the Fed is either turning off the liquidity tap, or the US economy shows the slightest sign of a recovery,will be particularly violent. In this context it was very interesting to witness the instant 20bp recovery in 10-year bond yields on Friday following the better-than-expected revision of the 2/4 GDP growth figure and Bernankes clear commitment to fight disinflation (i.e. slowing inflation rates).
This was the comment from Bernanke that saw long bond fall on Friday night and industrial commodities and equities rally hard (led by materials and energy stocks).The Federal Reserve will strongly resist deviations from price stability in the downward direction. Falling into deflation is not a significant risk for the United States at this time, but that is true in part because the public understands that the Federal Reserve will be vigilant and proactive in addressing significant further disinflation."
Translated to English that means we will print until we create inflation. People betting on deflation are going to be so wrong, and the much bigger medium term threat is the Fed again pumps too much liquidity and creates bubbles elsewhere. Note well this will be coordinated with other central banks andthere is a rumour in the WSJ that the Bank of Japan will intervene in the Yen today which would also be bullish for commodities, risk assets and inflationary pressures.
In the meantime, considering the current 10-year yield of 2.6%, the fixed income market is already discounting negative real growth in the domestic economy. As I have been consistently saying, all the financial metrics are discounting bad news, and equities represent genuine risk-adjusted value. The current pessimism reminds me so much of early 2009. In this context it is worth noting that last week US Treasury yields were below the levels at the time of the 2009 market lows. This is creating genuine long-term value opportunities for equity investors.
More importantly, China, India, Brazil and the rest of Asia are growing at high single digit levels. The global economy is currently subject to an unprecedented disparity of growth rates. Yet, global bond yields reflect a one size fits all growth scenario. As a result, global equity markets remain hostage to the Feds monetary policy and captive to the benchmark US 10-year bond. As I have consistently argued over the last 3-4 years, clearly China and India have decoupled from the US economy. Yet it is obvious that financial markets, particularly bonds, remain inextricably US-linked. Consequently, I continue to believe equity investors are being blindsided by US bond yields. Make no mistake, there is economic and earnings growth for companies outside the US. Our strategy is to be long themes and equities leveraged to strength of emerging markets particularly China, India and Asia.
I remain of the viewthe best way to play all this is long industrial commodities, long commodity equities and long the Australian Dollar. We are also long the 2ndderivative of commodities known as mining service and engineering companies.
However, it seems to me that most short-term traders are short industrial commodities, commodity equities and the Australian Dollar on a top down view about US growth and what US bond yields are telling them. Our view is that they have misinterpreted what the US Bond market is trying to tell them, just like they did in March 2009 (and 1994) ahead of a massive rally in equities as the Feds huge liquidity pump made its way into the real economy.
That is why I want to take the all powerful macro traders on. I am siding with the Fed, remembering the old adage dont fight the Fed.The biggest bet I want to have is in copper and copper equities, with these unseasonal draw-downs in LME copper inventories just so bullish. Just have a look at the chart below of Escondida head grades since first production. Copper could well prove the tightest commodity of all with the supply response hard to identify.

If you believe our view of the world above the first thing you need is a heavy copper and copper equity exposure. That can be found in a diluted form in BHP, RIO and NCM, yet a more pure form inOZL, EQN, PNA, ABY and for a real punt DML. The chart below of BHP Billiton vs. the LME copper reminds you thatanytime BHP underperforms copper, such as right now due to the uncertainty created by the Potash bid, you buy BHP shares.

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原帖由 IronPivot 于 2011-5-12 11:22 发表
找了个去年写的分析 我说过了不是每天都有trade的 可能我是真的应该把名字改一下
Good morning,
I was having a chat with a few successful businessmen over the weekend and the one question kept coming up; wh ...


请问对未来两三个月股市看法如何?
海賊王に俺はなる!
背中の傷は、剣士の恥だ!
生きたいッ!
パンツ見せてもらってもよろしいでしょうか!
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but rather the one most adaptable to change.
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我们两三个礼拜以前开始看跌了 到现在trading floor view还是看跌的

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发表于 2011-5-12 13:37 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 IronPivot 于 2011-5-12 12:02 发表
我们两三个礼拜以前开始看跌了 到现在trading floor view还是看跌的


看来你们的看法和查理哥的很接近。
海賊王に俺はなる!
背中の傷は、剣士の恥だ!
生きたいッ!
パンツ見せてもらってもよろしいでしょうか!
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but rather the one most adaptable to change.
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