为什么有的摩托车/车超级吵？有这种车经过，整条街都是轰隆隆的声音。为什么澳洲能让这么吵的车上路？

sandro0713

pmp6 发表于 2020-12-18 14:43
你们这一群人改排气的目的是什么？谢谢分享

这问题和问别人为什么爱吃/不爱吃胡萝卜没啥区别
上周末阿隆索开雷诺V10赛车绕场一圈让全世界F1车迷激动万分，不喜欢赛车的人看起来就是更大噪音而已

小能人小小

beinlich 发表于 2020-12-14 16:55
感同身受，真的想打那种炸街车的司机。前几天隔壁帖子看到有人家门口路面有坑，一辆炸街车炸到坑里轮子磕出 ...

啊哈哈哈，

pmp6

wakingwq 发表于 2020-12-18 22:19
你听重金属摇滚乐吗？很多人觉得吵。

我可以选择听重金属摇滚乐或不听。我能选择不听噪音大的摩托车/车吗？

fish0185i

特别红绿灯起步时候，和你并排，太特么吵了。

wakingwq

pmp6 发表于 2020-12-18 23:12
我可以选择听重金属摇滚乐或不听。我能选择不听噪音大的摩托车/车吗？

但你不能不让别人听，对吧

wakingwq

fish0185i 发表于 2020-12-19 09:08
特别红绿灯起步时候，和你并排，太特么吵了。

请忍，谢谢。

pmp6

wakingwq 发表于 2020-12-20 16:18
但你不能不让别人听，对吧

但你不能逼别人听，对吧

pmp6

wakingwq 发表于 2020-12-20 16:20
请忍，谢谢。

为什么要忍？举报一下更好。

大饼

sandro0713 发表于 2020-12-18 21:37
这问题和问别人为什么爱吃/不爱吃胡萝卜没啥区别
上周末阿隆索开雷诺V10赛车绕场一圈让全世界F1车迷激动 ...

F1在半夜里大街上开吗？
人家白天在远离住宅的赛道上开的。
噪音超标的车可以在私人牧场，赛道上开。上大街对不起一楼的举报电话走起。

p.b.drizzt

咱们来贴上全文看看法规到底怎么规定，还是legislation NSW的噪音控制法规，链接在我前面的回复里
第一部分，先来看噪音规定
Protection of the Environment Operations (Noise Control) Regulation 2008
Schedule 1 Prescribed noise levels for types of motor vehicles
Page 40
2008 No 40
Schedule 1 Prescribed noise levels for types of
motor vehicles
(Clause 4)
1 Stationary noise levels—motor car and motor cycle
The stationary noise level of a motor car or motor cycle, must not
exceed:
(a) for a motor car built on or after 1 January 1983—90 dB(A), or
(b) for a motor car built before 1 January 1983—96 dB(A), or
(c) for a motor cycle designed or manufactured for use on a road that
was built on or after 1 March 1984—94 dB(A), or
(d) for any other motor cycle—100 dB(A).
见标红段，这是法规测量噪音的标准，即车辆静止状态下的整体噪音，而不是其他任何状态下的噪音，其他的分类只是不同的engine类型，但是标准都是stationary noise level（一些特殊的机器除外，如除草机）

第二部分，再说在居民区使用车辆
Clause 14 Protection of the Environment Operations (Noise Control) Regulation 2008
Part 2 Motor vehicle and motor vehicle accessories
2008 No 40
14 Use of motor vehicles on residential premises
(1) A person must not cause or permit a motor vehicle to be used on
residential premises in such a manner that it emits noise that can be
heard within a habitable room in any other residential premises
(regardless of whether any door or window to that room is open):
(a) before 8 am or after 8 pm on any Saturday, Sunday or public
holiday, or
(b) before 7 am or after 8 pm on any other day.
Maximum penalty: 100 penalty units in the case of a corporation,
50 penalty units in the case of an individual.
(2) A person is not guilty of an offence under this clause unless:
(a) the person has, within 7 days after causing or permitting a motor
vehicle to be used in such a manner, been warned by an
authorised officer or enforcement officer not to cause or permit
the motor vehicle to be used in that manner, and
(b) the person causes or permits the motor vehicle to be used in that
manner within 28 days after the warning has been given.
(3) A person is not guilty of an offence under this clause merely because
noise is emitted from the motor vehicle while the motor vehicle is
entering or leaving residential premises.
见标红段，你邻居有辆车或者摩托，你觉得吵，但是如果你邻居目的只是离家或者回家，也是合法的

第三部分，车辆改装
1、销售部分
Protection of the Environment Operations (Noise Control) Regulation 2008 Clause 4
Motor vehicle and motor vehicle accessories Part 2
2008 No 40
Part 2 Motor vehicle and motor vehicle accessories
Division 1 Sale of motor vehicles and motor vehicle
accessories
Note. Section 136 of the Act creates an offence of selling any article of a class prescribed by
the regulations if, when in use or operation, the article emits noise in excess of a prescribed
level.
A person who is guilty of an offence under section 136 of the Act is liable, on conviction:
(a) in the case of a corporation—to a penalty not exceeding $1,000,000 and, in the case
of a continuing offence, to a further penalty not exceeding $120,000 for each day the
offence continues, or
(b) in the case of an individual—to a penalty not exceeding $250,000 and, in the case of a
continuing offence, to a further penalty not exceeding $60,000 for each day the offence
continues (Section 141 of the Act).
Subdivision 1 Motor vehicles and related articles
4 Sale of motor vehicles generally
For the purposes of section 136 of the Act:
(a) motor vehicles, other than special purpose motor vehicles, are a
prescribed class of articles, and
(b) the prescribed level for a motor vehicle of a particular type that is
certified to ADR 83/00 is:
(i) if the compliance plate date of the vehicle is on or before
the date that is 2 years after the commencement of this
Regulation—the noise level established by ADR 83/00 for
a motor vehicle of that type when stationary plus 5 dB(A)
or the noise level specified in Schedule 1 for a motor
vehicle of that type, whichever is the greater, and
(ii) in any other case—the noise level established by
ADR 83/00 for a motor vehicle of that type when
stationary plus 5 dB(A), and
(c) the prescribed level for a motor vehicle of a particular type that is
not certified to ADR 83/00 is the noise level specified in
Schedule 1 for a motor vehicle of that type.
5 Sale of used motor vehicles with defective noise control equipment
(1) A person must not sell a used motor vehicle if:
(a) the motor vehicle has defective noise control equipment, or
(b) the motor vehicle’s noise control equipment is not securely in
place or has been removed and not replaced, or
(c) the motor vehicle has temporary noise reduction packing, or
(d) the motor vehicle has a temporary noise reduction device fitted.
Maximum penalty: 100 penalty units in the case of a corporation,
50 penalty units in the case of an individual.
(2) A person is not guilty of an offence under subclause (1) (c) or (d) if the
conduct alleged to give rise to the offence occurs within 6 months after
the commencement of this Regulation.
(3) A person is not guilty of an offence under subclause (1) (d) if the
temporary noise reduction device:
(a) was fitted by the vehicle manufacturer, or is an equivalent
replacement for any such device fitted by the vehicle
manufacturer, or
(b) is a plate, baffle or other device that is part of a muffler, resonator
or the like and is fitted to a motor cycle.
2、使用和改装部分
Protection of the Environment Operations (Noise Control) Regulation 2008 Clause 16
Motor vehicle and motor vehicle accessories Part 2
2008 No 40
18 Drive or use motor vehicle on road or road related area if noise control
equipment defective or modified
(1) A person must not cause or permit a motor vehicle to be driven or used
on a road or road related area if:
(a) the motor vehicle has defective noise control equipment, or
(b) the motor vehicle’s noise control equipment is not securely in
place or has been removed and not replaced, or
(c) the motor vehicle has temporary noise reduction packing, or
(d) the motor vehicle has a temporary noise reduction device fitted.
Maximum penalty: 100 penalty units in the case of a corporation,
50 penalty units in the case of an individual.
(2) A person is not guilty of an offence under subclause (1) (c) or (d) if the
conduct alleged to give rise to the offence occurs within 6 months after
the commencement of this Regulation.
(3) A person is not guilty of an offence under subclause (1) (d) if the
temporary noise reduction device:
(a) was fitted by the vehicle manufacturer, or is an equivalent
replacement for any such device fitted by the vehicle
manufacturer, or
(b) is a plate, baffle or other device that is part of a muffler, resonator
or the like and is fitted to a motor cycle.
19 Repairs and modifications
(1) A person must not cause or permit a motor vehicle to be modified or
repaired so that:
(a) the motor vehicle has defective noise control equipment, or
(b) the motor vehicle’s noise control equipment is not securely in
place or has been removed and not replaced, or
(c) the motor vehicle has temporary noise reduction packing, or
(d) the motor vehicle has a temporary noise reduction device fitted.
Maximum penalty: 100 penalty units in the case of a corporation,
50 penalty units in the case of an individual.
(2) A person is not guilty of an offence under subclause (1) (c) or (d) if the
conduct alleged to give rise to the offence occurs within 6 months after
the commencement of this Regulation.
(3) A person is not guilty of an offence under subclause (1) (d) if the
temporary noise reduction device:
(a) was fitted by the vehicle manufacturer, or is an equivalent
replacement for any such device fitted by the vehicle
manufacturer, or
(b) is a plate, baffle or other device that is part of a muffler, resonator
or the like and is fitted to a motor cycle.
见标红段，摩托车排气筒的消音装置改装是法规豁免的

bbneil

老实说都是些外强中干的货色。
一次在大洋路，确实是我不对，正好在修路变单行，然后我的车把他的路堵了他们不得不把摩托停下来，人下来等我开过去，结果他们人下来车倒了扶不起来了，记得好像两个人很费力才抬起来，看着好尴尬。。。哈雷重是不假，可你估计体重双倍于我的大胖子敢情儿这点力气都没有？
还有一次，从Bundoora dfo出来，service road探出头准备上高速，看到一群摩托党快开到停车线就先让让，可他们的车队松松垮垮，第一波快的停好了第二波还慢慢悠悠的腾上来，我service road出来要横跨三个车道可等不了你就趁这个空档插到左边的右转道上，因为service road出来角度的关系，加上第一波已经停好了，我的车不能完全进入右转道，屁股有一点留在外面的。可第二波打头阵的还是硬要插到前面，还踢了我车一脚，怒了直接按喇叭抗议，后插上的似乎是要显示忠肝义胆还是啥的，贴着车把头盔墨镜骷髅面罩凑近了骂我，直接摇窗对喷，喷着喷着就腾到前面去了，最后后座的人对着我指指自己的脑袋，认怂！

ccjjcj

这种声音很讨厌，年轻人玩剌激，有的是自己改装排气管，有的是猛加油门造成的。

大饼

motor cycle
The stationary noise level of a motor car or motor cycle, must not
exceed:
(a) for a motor car built on or after 1 January 1983—90 dB(A), or
(b) for a motor car built before 1 January 1983—96 dB(A), or
(c) for a motor cycle designed or manufactured for use on a road that
was built on or after 1 March 1984—94 dB(A), or
(d) for any other motor cycle—100 dB(A).

既然贴法律，做翻译，就不能只贴合法的部分，省略违法的部分。
合法改装是可以的。噪音超标的改装是没有豁免的。
超过100db的摩托不论在哪里开都是违法的。
EPA鼓励大家举报。

pmp6

bbneil 发表于 2020-12-21 09:07
老实说都是些外强中干的货色。
一次在大洋路，确实是我不对，正好在修路变单行，然后我的车把他的路堵了他 ...

都是losser，要不然谁愿意做摩托党。这些losser在社会上毫无存在感，只好组团出来make some noise

Joker7000

BW每周末晚上，主街，来来回回就那几辆摩托车，开过来开过去，警车停旁边也没见有人管过。

pmp6

Joker7000 发表于 2020-12-21 14:07
BW每周末晚上，主街，来来回回就那几辆摩托车，开过来开过去，警车停旁边也没见有人管过。 ...

违法了警察才管。合法的开过来开过去不管。

希望摩托党有本事跟警察竖中指骂脏话试试看。别去欺负弱鸡。

两万五千里刚好

安全考虑不存在，因为可以换汽车开开，摩托能去的地方，洗车基本能去。
主要原因绝对是故意噪音，心里扭曲的一些人，感觉扰民特别爽

p.b.drizzt

大饼 发表于 2020-12-21 10:43
motor cycle
The stationary noise level of a motor car or motor cycle, must not
exceed:

我在130楼上来第一段就贴的是噪音标准，请问版主是没看到呢，还是故意忽略了
既然是版主又贴了一遍，那么套用版主自己的话，翻译请不要忽略关键字“stationary”，只捡对自己有用的内容
我从头到尾都在强调的是法规如果规定的，EPA给大家权利去举报非法行为，不代表你就可以随意按自己的喜好去滥用

菜鸟猪

个人非常讨厌大脚油门炸街的土炮和摩托车:dizzy:

大饼

p.b.drizzt 发表于 2020-12-25 05:41
我在130楼上来第一段就贴的是噪音标准，请问版主是没看到呢，还是故意忽略了
既然是版主又贴了一遍，那么 ...

您英文是贴全了。您没翻译噪声标准。是故意的呢还是没看到呢？中文翻译断章取义，特别是最后那一段翻译。可以说是完全错误。
所以替你翻译，补全EPA的大意。

您强调静止状态，那是有关EPA的测试，因为EPA不容易做移动中的测试而已。和大家举报噪音超标的车没关系。
我们都说的是举报噪音超标车，不是按照自己的喜好。

就算是开哈雷的，大部分也是遵纪守法的。我也有很多朋友开摩托甚至哈雷，都不是那种炸街的。

p.b.drizzt

大饼 发表于 2020-12-25 08:17
您英文是贴全了。您没翻译噪声标准。是故意的呢还是没看到呢？中文翻译断章取义，特别是最后那一段翻译。 ...

我贴出来的噪音标准就摆在那里，94db和100db，这还用翻译，莫非是有人看不懂数字
至于说我断章取义翻译错误，请版主贴出你的翻译让我学习学习
说EPA不容易测移动噪音，这个我就真的不敢恭维你的主观臆测了
EPA首先只是个环保机构，根本就不测噪音，其次EPA也不制定标准或法规，都是引用的legislation NSW和澳大利亚相关行业设计标准，这个在EPA的链接写的很清楚，都是for example，然后贴上引用的哪部分法规和标准的链接
在行业设计规范里已经对这个stationary做了专业的解释，版主如果不想读，就不要在这点上再回复了，没有意义
法规就是法规，每一个词写在里面都是有意义的，而不是你认为可以忽略就忽略掉的，这跟举报超标也是有直接关系的
最简单的例子，一辆stationary 90db的摩托在加速的过程中，超过100db是非常轻松的，车辆在运行过程中的噪音受很多因素影响，发动机设计，缸数，档位，移动速度，发动机转数等等，作为车版的版主，应该有这点基本常识吧
至于说到超标，不好意思，这里好像只有你提到了超标，基本上其他发帖回帖都是用的吵和炸街这种主观概念，跟任何标准都不沾边

webdisk

最烦的就是摩托炸街的

大饼

顺便说一句。上EPA举报之前最好上各州service 查一下车牌号码是否存在。因为摩托车牌不带nsw或Vic等字。而很多炸街的摩托是异地的。需要找到正确的所在州，否则举报很可能无效。

gkgkgk

p.b.drizzt 发表于 2020-12-26 23:46
最简单的例子，一辆stationary 90db的摩托在加速的过程中，超过100db是非常轻松的，车辆在运行过程中的噪音受很多因素影响，发动机设计，缸数，档位，移动速度，发动机转数等等

不确定你是如何理解Stationary 90db

NTC 的文档详细说明了什么是Stationary Exhaust Noise 的Test Procedures, 也就是说如何测试是有规定的鉴定测试规
Stationary 并不是指启动之后放着不动，而是挂上空挡，并在指定的不同转速rpm 下进行音量测试

https://www.ntc.gov.au/sites/def ... r%20Vehicles%20.pdf

www.ntc.gov.au/sites/default/files/assets/files/National%20Stationary%20Noise%20Test%20Procedures%20For%20In-Service%20Motor%20Vehicles%20.pdf

4.2 Vehicle operation and noise measurement

4.2.1 The vehicle shall be stationary with the transmission in “neutral” or, in the case of a
vehicle with automatic transmission, with the gear selector in the “park” position if
such a position is provided. In the case of a motor cycle, the vehicle shall be held in a
substantially vertical position. In the case of a motor cycle having no neutral gear
position, measurements shall be carried out with the rear wheel raised off the ground.
这一段说的是汽车挂N档或者P档，摩托车放到vertical position

4.2.3 The engine of the vehicle under test shall be operated in accordance with one of the
following procedures:
这一段讲的细节4.2.3.1， 4.2.3.2，4.2.3.3，4.2.3.4 分别列举了测试是要在多少的转速 rpm下进行
四缸，六缸，八缸的测试rpm 各有不同

以下供阅读

4.2.3 The engine of the vehicle under test shall be operated in accordance with one of the
following procedures:
4.2.3.1 Where the ESMP for that engine has been determined by the testing authority
the engine shall be brought to and stabilised at a speed as close as the testing
officer can achieve to:
(i) ½ ESMP in the case of a pre ADR83 motor cycle
(ii) ½ ESMP in the case of any other motor cycle where the ESMP is
more than 5000 rpm; or
(iii) ¾ ESMP in the case of any other vehicle.
4.2.3.2 Where the engine speed has been governed by the manufacturer and ¾ ESMP
cannot be achieved, the test speed shall be 5% below the maximum governed
speed.
4.2.3.3 Where the ESMP for that engine has not been determined by the testing
authority then the engine shall be brought to and stabilised at a speed as close
as the testing officer can achieve to one of the following speeds:
In the case of a passenger car or derivative, if the engine has:
(i) 5 cylinders or less 4000 rpm
(ii) 6 cylinders and is
manufactured before 1995 3200 rpm
manufactured in 1995 or later 3600 rpm
(iii) 8 cylinders and is
manufactured before 2000 3300 rpm
manufactured in 2000 or later 3900 rpm
(iv) more than 8 cylinders 4300 rpm
(v) If the engine is a rotary engine 4500 rpm
In the case of a motor cycle:
(i) for a two-stroke engine 3750 rpm
(ii) for a four-stroke engine:
from Harley Davidson 2500 rpm
from any other manufacturer 3000 rpm
In the case of a goods vehicle or bus, if the engine has:
(i) 6 cylinders or more 3000rpm
(ii) 4 cylinders and is
manufactured before 1970 2500rpm
manufactured in 1970 or later 3500rpm
4.2.3.4 Where, in the opinion of the testing officer, the test speed determined by
reference to the above is not attainable by the engine then at the maximum
speed that the testing officer believes that the engine can be safely tested.
4.2.4 A noise level measurement shall then be made. The noise level shall be the maximum
level measured between the stabilised test speed and when the throttle is swiftly
returned to idle position.

marco_lw

摩托车是两缸发动机

gkgkgk

具体到摩托车，也是要分不同车不同引擎的，另外哈雷有被单独列出

In the case of a motor cycle:
(i) for a two-stroke engine 3750 rpm
(ii) for a four-stroke engine:
from Harley Davidson 2500 rpm
from any other manufacturer 3000 rpm

tiger-1

有些人故意深更半夜，夜深人静的时候开着卸掉消音器的摩托或汽车，飞速驶过大街小巷，临街居民深受其害！

Zhuangshidun

没毛病 我也想射杀它们，如果我有枪的话

Zhuangshidun

nvy 发表于 2020-12-14 19:23
几年前有一个美国视频，一个开大型四驱的华人对一大群摩托党不满，把一辆摩托给别倒了，结果就是捅了马蜂 ...

我记得是开的路虎揽胜。但是我不记得这个华人司机别倒了任何一台摩托，据说当时摩托党里还有警方的卧底

不谈国事

我也理解不了这么大噪音，他们听起来很high？