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[欧洲] 泽连斯基说乌克兰面临“艰难选择”,特朗普敦促接受和平方案 [复制链接]

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bombhuauto 发表于 2025-11-22 12:22
笑死了,中国是不结盟主义。连盟都不结,还加入中国。

“不结盟”属于文字游戏吧?现在叫“无上限合作”。也不知道有什么本质上的区别。
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takihong 发表于 2025-11-22 18:08
确实,俄罗斯吞并乌东地区,根本不符合美国的利益。本来战场是僵持局面,川普上台后,就停止了很多对乌克 ...


40楼和45楼的网友说川普是为了美国的利益,你又说不符合美国的利益。
我不能理解,是不是川普背弃了美国的利益来通俄?

你中文这么好,帮我先纠正下他的错误呗。

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西门吹风 发表于 2025-11-22 18:08
“不结盟”属于文字游戏吧?现在叫“无上限合作”。也不知道有什么本质上的区别。 ...

不懂就问gpt

中国主张不结盟与和俄罗斯开展“无上限合作”并不矛盾,核心是二者遵循“不结盟、不对抗、不针对第三方”的原则,是“结伴不结盟”的新型大国关系体现,具体原因如下:

1. 不结盟是中国基于历史与现实的坚定外交基石。历史上中国有过多次结盟被背叛的惨痛经历,比如新中国初期与苏联结盟后,对方提出损害我国主权的要求,后续还撕合同、撤专家,这让中国深知结盟易丧失战略主动权,沦为他国附庸。当下坚持不结盟,能让中国避免被动卷入他国冲突,比如俄乌冲突中中国可保持中立推动劝和促谈,同时灵活发展与多国的关系,为自身发展营造稳定环境。
2. 中俄“合作无上限”是平等互利的务实选择。这里的“无上限”并非军事同盟式的捆绑,而是指在经贸、能源、科技等领域的合作没有禁区。中俄经济高度互补,俄罗斯的能源能满足中国需求,中国的市场和技术也能助力俄罗斯经济发展,2023年两国能源贸易额就突破2000亿美元。且这种合作基于彼此平等尊重、互不干涉内政的前提,没有“领导者”与“被领导者”之分,比如在联合国安理会,两国常协调立场维护共同利益,但均以独立大国身份行事。
3. 这种模式超越传统同盟,规避潜在风险。中俄4300公里的边境线及复杂的历史地缘关系,决定了结盟易滋生猜忌。而“不结盟+深度合作”的模式,既让两国通过能源、航天等领域合作绑定共同利益,又保留了各自战略自主空间,不用承担同盟的强制军事义务,避免因一方的冲突陷入被动,这也是对冷战时期对抗性联盟体系的突破。

2016年度奖章获得者

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一司机 发表于 2025-11-22 11:45
基本就是普京写了个单子加上川普要的利润,两个大流氓去合力欺负一个二愣子   ...

真是一笔写不出两个“普”啊!

指望不靠谱儿支持的其他小萌友会不会瑟瑟发抖阿,就这,就这结果。。。



过好每一天。。。

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小泽应该已经拒绝了这个和平方案….

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bombhuauto 发表于 2025-11-22 18:19
不懂就问gpt

中国主张不结盟与和俄罗斯开展“无上限合作”并不矛盾,核心是二者遵循“不结盟、不对抗、 ...

中国唯一结盟的国家是朝鲜,按规定的话,如果朝鲜受到攻击,中国应该出兵支持,反之也一样。如果中日爆发战争,朝鲜按规定可以出兵攻击日本。
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yuzilu 发表于 2025-11-22 19:34
中国唯一结盟的国家是朝鲜,按规定的话,如果朝鲜受到攻击,中国应该出兵支持,反之也一样。如果中日爆发 ...

不对哦

中国和朝鲜不是正式的军事盟国,但两国在政治、经济和文化等领域保持着长期和紧密的友好合作关系。两国关系基于1961年签署的《中朝友好合作互助条约》,该条约规定了在特定情况下相互援助的义务,但这并不等同于军事盟约,两国在法律和实践层面都不是直接的军事同盟关系。

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bombhuauto 发表于 2025-11-22 19:36
不对哦

中国和朝鲜不是正式的军事盟国,但两国在政治、经济和文化等领域保持着长期和紧密的友好合作关系 ...

中国的外交关系名称
看过了就觉得外交部需要精简人员 太折腾了

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泽连斯基:乌克兰正面临最艰难的时刻之一,要么失去尊严,要么失去美国。

好无奈

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看评论,够悲观的,似乎离了美国就完蛋了,NO。

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小泽的全国电视讲话:
Ukrainians!
There comes a moment in the life of every nation when everyone needs to talk things through. Honestly. Calmly. Without speculation, rumors, gossip, without anything extra. Just as things are. Just as I’ve always tried to speak to you.
Right now is one of the hardest moments in our history. Right now, Ukraine is under some of the heaviest pressure yet. Right now, Ukraine may find itself facing a very tough choice. Either the loss of our dignity or the risk of losing a key partner. Either the difficult 28 points, or an extremely hard winter – the hardest yet – and the dangers that follow. A life without freedom, without dignity, without justice. And that we trust someone who has already attacked us twice.
They will expect an answer from us. Though the truth is, I already gave that answer. On May 20, 2019, when taking an oath of loyalty to Ukraine, I notably said: “I, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, elected by the will of the people as President of Ukraine, pledge with all my actions to defend the sovereignty and independence of Ukraine, to uphold the rights and freedoms of its citizens, to abide by the Constitution and the laws of Ukraine, to fulfil my duties in the interests of all my compatriots, and to strengthen Ukraine’s standing in the world.” For me, this is not a protocol formality to check off – it is an oath. And every day, I remain true to every word of it. And I will never betray it. Ukraine’s national interest must be respected.
We’re not making loud statements. We will work calmly with the United States and with all our partners. There will be a constructive search for solutions with our main partner.
I will lay out the arguments. I will persuade. I will offer alternatives. But one thing is certain: we will not give the enemy reasons to claim that Ukraine doesn’t want peace, that it is sabotaging the process, and that it is Ukraine that is not ready for diplomacy. That will not happen.
Ukraine will work fast. Today, on Saturday and Sunday, all next week, and for as long as it takes – 24/7 – I will fight to ensure that, among all the points of the plan, at least two are not overlooked: these are the dignity and freedom of Ukrainians. Because everything else rests on this – our sovereignty, our independence, our land, our people. And Ukraine’s future.
We will – and must – do everything so that, as a result, the war ends, but Ukraine does not end, Europe does not end, nor does global peace.
I’ve just spoken with Europeans. We count on our European friends who fully understand that Russia is not somewhere far away – it’s right next to the EU’s borders, that Ukraine today is the only shield separating comfortable European life from Putin’s plans. We remember: Europe stood with us. We believe: Europe will stand with us.
Ukraine must not live through a déjà vu of February 24, when we felt alone, when no one could stop Russia except our heroic people, who stood like a wall against Putin’s army.
And of course it was nice to hear the world say: Ukrainians are incredible; God, how they, Ukrainians, fight; how Ukrainians stand; what titans they are. And it’s true. Absolutely. But Europe and the whole world must also understand another truth: Ukrainians are, first of all, human beings. And for almost four years of full-scale invasion, we have been holding back one of the largest armies on Earth. And we are holding a frontline stretching thousands of kilometers. And our people endure nightly shelling, missile attacks, ballistic missile strikes, and "shahed" strikes. And every day, our people lose their loved ones. And our people desperately want this war to end. Yes, we are made of steel. But any metal, even the strongest, can give way.
Remember this. Stay with Ukraine. Stay with our people – and that means stay with dignity and freedom.
Dear Ukrainians!
Remember that first day of the war. Most of us made our choice. The choice for Ukraine. Recall our feelings back then. What was it like? Dark, loud, heavy, painful. For many – terrifying. But the enemy did not see our backs running away. They saw our eyes – full of resolve to fight for what is ours. That is dignity. That is freedom. And this is truly the most terrifying thing for Russia: seeing the Ukrainians’ unity.
Back then, our unity was focused on defending our home from the enemy.
And now, we also need unity more than ever, so that there can be a dignified peace in our home.
I am addressing all Ukrainians now. Our people, citizens, politicians – everyone. We need to pull ourselves together. Regain our senses. Quit the squabbling. Stop the political games. The state must function. The parliament of a country at war must work in unity. The government of a country at war must work effectively. And all of us together must not forget – and must not confuse – who exactly is the enemy of Ukraine today.
I remember how, on the first day of the war, various “messengers” brought me different plans, points; there were ultimatums for ending the war. They said: either this way, or no way. Either you sign it, or you will simply be eliminated and an “acting President of Ukraine” will sign it instead of you.
We all know how that ended. Many of those “messengers” later became part of our exchange fund and were sent, together with their proposals and points, back home to their “native harbor.”
I did not betray Ukraine then. I truly felt your support behind me – of every single one of you. Of every Ukrainian, every soldier, every volunteer, every medic, diplomat, journalist, our entire nation.
We did not betray Ukraine then. We will not betray it now. And I know for certain that in this truly one of the most difficult moments in our history, I am not alone. I know that Ukrainians believe in their state, that we are united. And in every future format of meetings, discussions, negotiations with partners, it will be far easier for me to secure a dignified peace for us and to persuade them, knowing with absolute certainty: the people of Ukraine stand behind me. Millions of our people, people of dignity, people fighting for freedom, and those who have earned peace.
All our fallen heroes, who gave their lives for Ukraine, who are now in heaven, and deserve to see from above that their children and grandchildren will live in a dignified peace. And that peace will come. Dignified, effective, long-lasting.
Dear Ukrainians!
The coming week will be very difficult, full of events.
You are a mature, wise, conscious nation that has proven this many times. And you understand there will be enormous pressure this time – political pressure, informational, all kinds. Designed to weaken us. To drive a wedge between us. The enemy never sleeps – and will do everything to make us fail.
Will we let them do this? We have no right to. And we won’t. Because those who seek to destroy us don’t know us well. They don’t understand who we truly are, what we’re about, what we stand for, what kind of people we are. There is a reason we mark the Day of Dignity and Freedom as a national holiday. It shows who we are. It shows our values.
We will work in the diplomatic arena for our peace. We must act in unity within the country for the sake of our peace. For our dignity.
For our freedom. And I believe – and I know – that I am not alone. With me is our nation, our society, our warriors, our partners, our allies, all our people. Dignified. Free. United.
Happy Day of Dignity and Freedom.
Glory to Ukraine!
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头像被屏蔽

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chinahare 发表于 2025-11-22 12:20
加入中国就算了,希望乌克兰战后有完全的国家自主权,为乌克兰自己的利益跟中国或友好或对抗都可以理解, ...

完全自主权肯定不可能了,已经在贼船上,予取予求,由不得乌克兰。

战争刚刚发生的时候,我记得不少人喊“今日乌克兰,明日台湾”, 现在看起来还是不要吧。

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泽连斯基并没有完全拒绝 该 28 点提案。
但他明确表示有“核心红线”不可能让步
(如尊严、自由、主权等)。

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准备提出替代方案
泽连斯基公开表示,他会提出 替代方案。

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时间压力很大:
美国方面据报道希望乌克兰在 11月27日(感恩节前)就做出回应
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blankzhou 发表于 2025-11-22 20:43
准备提出替代方案
泽连斯基公开表示,他会提出 替代方案。

难度很高,拭目以待

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泽连斯基告诉乌克兰的国内民众:
乌克兰面临 “失去尊严”;或
“失去关键伙伴” 的两难局面….

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公开说就是不同意,这是用舆论压美国

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再拖几年,川普下台,普京老年痴呆,小泽还年轻。

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fanhyacinth 发表于 2025-11-22 21:13
再拖几年,川普下台,普京老年痴呆,小泽还年轻。

所以乌克兰没有时间了。唯一可能就是欧洲姥爷硬气一把
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挺惨的,乌克兰。

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宜兴紫砂壶 发表于 2025-11-22 20:39
完全自主权肯定不可能了,已经在贼船上,予取予求,由不得乌克兰。

战争刚刚发生的时候,我记得不少人喊 ...


两岸走北平模式和平解放还是有希望的,现在看起来日本有可能会成为北平模式的天津角色

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chinahare 发表于 2025-11-22 22:02
两岸走北平模式和平解放还是有希望的,现在看起来日本有可能会成为北平模式的天津角色 ...

怎么会是日本?
日本在亚太地区的优先级比台湾高…
日本在美国的国家安全体系中是 核心战略盟友。

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这个川普也是老天不长眼,子弹再偏一点就好了

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这新闻真是看的我五味杂陈。

政治是非常肮脏的,马凯硕说过,国际政治是非常残酷的活动,没有温情,只有计算,没有正义,只有利益。至少乌克兰这里,完全是如此。
萨克斯教授爆料过,美国的中情局直接说乌克兰战争是非常profit game。对于他们来说这是一场大大有利的游戏——未必是对美国有利,但肯定对军工集团有利,欧洲也差不多,尤其是英国,出钱买乌克兰人的命来消弱毛子保护自己。

强大当然能够自保,但中小国家也不是全无办法。典型的代表是瑞士,中立了210年,安全度过两次世界大战,冷战,还在战后顺了不少已故犹太人的钱。到如今除了偶尔有人会提及,瑞士的口碑什么时候受到影响了?

对于中小国家来说,最好学会左右逢源,纵横博弈,谨言慎行,并且防止大国的渗透,任何大国。
All super powers are ruthless.
这当然不公平,然而违背现实定理,后果一定更加惨淡。
不过,事实总是变化的,毛子也不能永远这么凶狠,它总有虚弱的一天,只看中小国家有没有这个韧性。
尽人事,听天命。
人生苦短,且乐今朝。
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blankzhou 发表于 2025-11-22 22:09
怎么会是日本?
日本在亚太地区的优先级比台湾高…
日本在美国的国家安全体系中是 核心战略盟友。 ...


打日本本土可能性不大,有一种可能武力收回钓鱼岛中日海上打一战,美国嘴上支持日本实际不介入,日本认输后,台湾就可以走北平模式劝降统一

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乌克兰就这么被卖了。还是脑子不清醒啊。

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