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[NSW] Eddie Woo领导的新州数学专家团队在教育部门重组中被削减 [复制链接]

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limit-2010 发表于 2024-9-9 13:55
真正对于教课有passion的老师 不会想当校长甚至任何管理岗位 但是教的再好也不会因为教的好涨工资

咱们讨论的  不是父母为什么不让自己的孩子学教育吗
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kc_zhang 发表于 2024-9-9 13:52
想起以前一个笑话,文革时期,红卫兵批斗科学家,要求科学家当众现场修理电灯泡,结果科学家是搞科学理论 ...

Y7 naplan的乘法问题  可能还不太一样吧
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pinkswan 发表于 2024-9-9 13:02
咱们讨论的  不是父母为什么不让自己的孩子学教育吗

好好去教课的老师已经很少了 但是政府的工资待遇并没有鼓励/承认这些人 而且正常教课的老师工资也没那么高



这个工资水平 高ATAR仍然选择去当老师真的就是靠爱发电 想实现个人理想的

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这算啥?没人翻译SMH昨天一篇文章,说新洲中学每周有很多学生因为mis-behaviour被detention?读起来也是触目惊心

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以后把教育局也撤了吧,反正没人在乎

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david72s 发表于 2024-9-9 14:22
这算啥?没人翻译SMH昨天一篇文章,说新洲中学每周有很多学生因为mis-behaviour被detention?读起来也是触 ...

每周800多那个新闻是吧

触目惊心
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pinkswan 发表于 2024-9-9 14:24
每周800多那个新闻是吧

触目惊心


More than 800 school students were suspended every week last year amid a classroom behaviour crisis that is leading to principals issuing sanctions for physical violence, aggression and assault.

Data released by the NSW Education Department shows 33,903 public school students were suspended last year, with the bulk of those for causing unacceptable risk to the health and safety of teachers or classmates.

About one in 12 high school students was suspended, the majority for aggressive behaviour.

A police investigation was launched at Ambarvale High in south-west Sydney this week after numerous physical fights broke out at the school on Wednesday, with at least one teacher injured.

Video footage of one attack shows a student running towards another boy before throwing multiple punches, with a female teacher caught up in the scrum of fighting schoolchildren.

School parents say not enough is being done to address persistent misbehaviour and violent attacks. One mother said she was unsurprised when her son recounted the series of fights that occurred in the playground.

More than 33,000 students were suspended for exhibiting behaviour which was an unacceptable risk to the school environment.
More than 33,000 students were suspended for exhibiting behaviour which was an unacceptable risk to the school environment.Credit:Janie Barrett

“It seems like there are no repercussions,” said the mother, who did not wish to be named for privacy reasons.

Despite a statewide mobile phone ban, another mother whose son was punched in the face said she was concerned students had filmed the incidents. Under new rules, public school students are banned from accessing mobile devices during the day.

“They get phones out to video,” she said. “He doesn’t want to go to school. He won’t be going back until I am satisfied that kid has been expelled. That is what I am pushing for.”

A total of 59,814 suspensions were issued to students last year, either for unacceptable risk to safety and health of others or for actual harm. The figures reported are similar to 2022.

In a report detailing the sanctions, the NSW Education Department said data collection issues and behaviour policy changes meant the figures could not be compared to previous years.

Just over 100 students were expelled for “serious behaviours of concern” or for unsatisfactory participation for pupils aged over 17. The numbers are down from about 300 expulsions in 2018.

Of the suspensions given for unacceptable risk to health and safety, 17,478 were for aggressive behaviour; 13,646 for persistent misbehaviour; 3065 for physical violence; 2082 for verbal abuse; 1153 for misuse of technology and 663 for possessing a weapon, firearm or knife.

Controversial rules in the 2023 school year restricted principals from sending students home unless they had inflicted actual harm, while also capping the length of the suspensions.


That policy was reversed in term one this year, with principals given the power to extend the length of suspensions and the ability to send students home for persistent bad behaviour.

In another incident at Ambarvale High this week, a boy sprayed a girl in the face with an aerosol deodorant can, prompting her to enlist other girls to retaliate with more violence, a student said.

“She got all her friends to go and bash him … he tried to pick one girl up and drop her … About 700 kids were watching the fight in the amphitheatre,” a student said.

One source close to the school, who asked not to be named so they could speak freely, said fights on the school grounds were frequent. “It’s been going on for some time. Teachers don’t feel safe,” they said.

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A Department of Education spokesperson said the school had invited police to address students on Thursday.

“This type of behaviour is completely unacceptable. It is not tolerated by Ambarvale High School, or any NSW public school, and does not reflect the wider school community,” the spokesperson said.

“The students involved have been disciplined by the school, and police are investigating.”

NSW Teachers’ Federation deputy president Amber Flohm said: “The profession expects a high standard of behaviour from every student, and the department has a legislated responsibility to ensure that teachers have a safe and healthy workplace.”

“It is not just a question of disadvantage; behaviour from students is a complex societal problem across a lot of different school communities.”

NSW Secondary Principals’ Council president Denise Lofts said schools were doing the heavy lifting when it came to addressing disadvantage and the complex mental health needs of young people.

“There is more violence in the community. Where there is violence in the community, it comes into the school. Schools are the place which proactively deal with it and wraps around those young students and their families,” she said.

“Public education needs the funding in which to support disadvantage, whether it is around addressing violence which arrives in the school.”

She said no principal wanted to suspend a student, but said was necessary to ensure the classroom was conducive to learning.

“Suspensions do trigger support. Support would be around extra school counselling, their own personal learning plan, behaviour plan, risk management plan, behaviour plan and skills for teachers around deescalation.”

A Senate inquiry last year recommended children be explicitly taught how to conduct themselves in schools, and called for a national behaviour curriculum. The federal government this week released a series of step-by-step guides for teachers on how to manage classrooms.

Results from a Monash University survey in 2022 reveal a quarter of teachers feel unsafe in their workplace, citing student behaviour, violence and parent abuse as reasons.


Australian teenagers are also more likely to feel unsafe and bullied at school than their international peers, while the latest OECD data reveals schools are in the grip of a wellbeing crisis for girls and children have high levels of anxiety attached to their digital devices.

Students also have a lower sense of belonging than the OECD average. In 2022, Australian students reported higher levels of exposure to bullying than all comparison countries except Latvia.

While the NSW Education Department reports on suspension data in public schools, there is no equivalent publicly available figures for private and Catholic schools.


President of the Australian Primary Principals Association, Angela Falkenberg, said schools were managing students with “poor self-regulation, and a rising number of children who require interventions.”

“Many schools are reporting more challenging behaviour and there are a whole lot of factors intersecting. Students who are facing disadvantage … and children growing up in houses were there is violence. We have challenges in our communities and these challenges are playing out in our schools,” she said.

The latest NSW data shows 7138 public primary students were suspended last year, and 26,766 high school students. More than 1000 kindergarten to year 2 students were suspended due to “actual harm”.

“Suspensions due to actual harm reveals a significant gender disparity across primary and secondary education levels,” the report said. About 70 per cent of all suspensions were for boys.

About 4.3 per cent of all students were suspended last year. For Aboriginal students that rate rose to 12.3 per cent.

A Department of Education spokesperson said there was zero tolerance for violent or inappropriate behaviour.

“We continue to provide shoulder-to-shoulder support for teachers schools and students who have a right to teach in safe and productive classrooms environments. The safety and wellbeing of students is always our number one priority.”

“The department is continually looking at how it can support students and families. With the introduction of the revised behaviour policy in 2024, we also set up stronger reporting to identify students in need of dedicated support,” they said.

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More than 800 school students were suspended every week last year amid a classroom behaviour crisi ...

能不能字体编辑下,实在辣眼睛,谢谢了

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能不能字体编辑下,实在辣眼睛,谢谢了


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但是
新闻也辣眼睛
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mdlp 发表于 2024-9-9 11:04
工党真的不能选 NSW下次还是把自由党请回来吧。。。。。

自由党之前的“Local Schools, Local Decisions政策” 才是一塌糊涂,学校里一群各种行政头衔的老师,全都不教课。一个班的主负责老师,超过一半时间都在干各种行政事务,全是代课老师。 而且论资排辈,这些行政老师恰恰都是学校里资历最老,教学最好的那批老师。 公校教学质量直线下降。
现在的工党政府在试着一点点调整回来。

公立教育,公立医院交给自由党政府都是灾难。

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教育部:凡是对教育不利的事情,我都要帮帮场子
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kc_zhang 发表于 2024-9-9 12:50
新州有公校精英啊,前八精英成绩还是高于私校,这次naplan成绩排名前十全部是精英中学,私校一个没有。精 ...

所以要想法子折腾啊

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waterjuice 发表于 2024-9-9 11:57
我来说一句

足迹里的家长有多少会送自己的孩子去学教育。

没点热爱干不了老师这行。
我还真提议过,人家回答我对教书这行没兴趣,但凡笨一点的都教不了,比如家里老二的数学就没法教。

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dianfang 发表于 2024-9-9 14:54
没点热爱干不了老师这行。
我还真提议过,人家回答我对教书这行没兴趣,但凡笨一点的都教不了,比如家里 ...

现在很大的问题是,学不来数学的人极尽所能地去干扰其他想学的学生。

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我认识一个小姑娘,爸爸妈妈都是西人,爸爸在香港出生和受的小学教育,妈妈在中国读的研究生,所以两夫妻教育风格比较像东亚国家的传统,爸爸妈妈都是精英中学出来的,孩子教的非常好,孩子现在11年级,就非常坚定地选择老师这个职业,她的成绩应该也是很容易选高分专业的,但对做老师有非常大的热情

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不知道教育局怎么想的,但是从孩子从小到大念的学校来看,回头看看。感觉cc幼儿园的老师总体比较负责。小学中学老师跟抽签似的,靠运气。。。运气好的,最多碰到一半的老师比较好。。。也就比较好。。
当然中学生对老师不好的真的也不少,不好管的下一代。希望政府多重视教育,多投资教育。也希望多点优秀的华人孩子从事学校里的教育行业。
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其实就是折腾公立系统让这些人跑去私立系统

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鸡兔同笼算的好能证明什么?

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工党重点放在土著教育和LGBT的教育上,哪有精力搞数学?

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無語言了。。土澳教育質量再創新低

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要那么聪明干嘛?愚民最好,成天让孩子琢磨是男变女还是女变男。
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工党上台后都不知道砍了多少了

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数学这种机械记忆的科目掌握了方法根本不难学 相反 因为有逻辑 数学是最简单的科目 AI时代没必要把时间浪费在这种机械背书的事情上 数学是个有用的工具 但搞数学人脑根本干不过机器 搞AI也不用懂数学因为数学被封装好了 而且数学系(背诵、默写与应用背诵系)的智商也不比其他专业的高 天生的智商学(背)数学也没法改进 AI时代脑子最不值钱 一张废纸不能改变命运 干点别的有意义的事吧
Google DeepMind AI 又有大突破 水平接近韦神 最近又获得IMO银牌 差一点金牌 大佬高调预测 继续加码将打造AI陶哲轩 按照Deepmind的描述 它没有用任何人类的解题数据做训练 只用了题目的描述(题干)这些训练AI时用的题目的证明都是AI自己搞定的
陶哲轩预言AI将生成不存在的数学问题
支持数学退出中国三大主科

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其实没多少人工作后用到中学里学到的东西比例很低。学习主要是锻炼人的动脑能力。数学应该是比较好的一个选择。可惜土澳不在乎。

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好的老师得去讲台,不是只做幕后工作(老师教老师),否则损失的是学生。现在老师从业门槛降低,这怎么可能通过几个明星老师去解决问题呢。
明星老师能做好的就是撰写好的教材大纲,好的教材书,参与谏言教育政策和教师优化。

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马.自达 发表于 2024-9-9 10:23
当年99.95的华裔百分百学医,怎会屈尊当老师,你想多了。

不管怎么说, Woo 老师是真心想当老师的, 他的分数当年可以读很多其他所谓的热门专业,但是他选择当老师是很多学生的福气。
夫物芸芸,各复归其根,归根曰静,是为复命,复命曰常,知常曰明。
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偶然刷到一个视频说当年日据台湾的时候, 不允许台湾人读很多科目,只能读一些边缘科目。 感觉是不是白人不想亚裔数学太强,让他们受到威胁? 毕竟以后AI需要的人才非常需要数学基础?
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Natio 发表于 2024-9-13 12:01
偶然刷到一个视频说当年日据台湾的时候, 不允许台湾人读很多科目,只能读一些边缘科目。 感觉是不是白人不 ...


当年是当年 AI时代就没学数学包括高等数学的必要 搞AI也不用懂数学因为数学被封装好了 AI最先取代AI的创造者

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Natio 发表于 2024-9-13 12:01
偶然刷到一个视频说当年日据台湾的时候, 不允许台湾人读很多科目,只能读一些边缘科目。 感觉是不是白人不 ...

所以那时候台湾人很多读医科,当医生。因为医科不能研发高科技产品。

发表于 2024-9-13 16:24 |显示全部楼层
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MerryX 发表于 2024-9-13 13:41
当年是当年 AI时代就没学数学包括高等数学的必要 搞AI也不用懂数学因为数学被封装好了 AI最先取代AI的创 ...

这个观点就像是有了计算器就不用学加减乘除一样

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