韩森要求削减报道她丑闻的ABC的预算

经济解释

我可以说一句吗？
韩森虽然不是好人

就事论事来说，韩森要求减少对ABC每年10亿的拨款，是n年以来，接受飞机作为礼物之前就坚持的政策，最近公开的要求应该是4月份左右一次演讲。

很明显是ABC怀恨在心故意要整她，再泼脏水，结论就是这样了，因为2017年5月ABC报道了韩森的负面新闻，所以，2016年10月韩森要求砍ABC拨款，所以韩森是坏人。

到底是谁无耻？

nis5

经济解释 发表于 2017-6-1 07:56
我可以说一句吗？
韩森虽然不是好人

abc是不会听的。你无法叫醒装睡得人。

kaien12345

经济解释 发表于 2017-6-1 07:56
我可以说一句吗？
韩森虽然不是好人

我相信这里的几个ABC拥护者们是看不见你这个帖子的。

悉尼小波霸

astina 发表于 2017-5-31 21:11
链接是对的，新闻发出后，原网站有更新，这是常见的现象
希望网友在表达意见的时候，不要因为新闻和自己 ...

你提供的链接是一个完全不相干的新闻：
"Pauline Hanson uses dead policeman to deflect queries about dodgy donations to One Nation"。
即使是原网站有更新，但是你提供的hyperlink也是：

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/pauline-hanson-uses-dead-policeman-to-deflect-queries-about-dodgy-donations-to-one-nation/news-story/a591a008a8e3bc748ade6f6acb379daf

以上链接本来就是指向那条"Pauline Hanson uses dead policeman to deflect queries about dodgy donations to One Nation"的新闻，与你翻译的新闻无关啊！

Wheelershill

悉尼小波霸 发表于 2017-6-1 09:07
你提供的链接是一个完全不相干的新闻：
"Pauline Hanson uses dead policeman to deflect queries about  ...

你跟她讲诚实，她跟你讲尊重；你跟她讲尊重，她跟你讲立场。
我不知道哪句话讲得不对，被警告一次。

悉尼小波霸

Wheelershill 发表于 2017-6-1 09:14
你跟她讲诚实，她跟你讲尊重；你跟她讲尊重，她跟你讲立场。
我不知道哪句话讲得不对，被警告一次。 ...

我希望这是她的一个诚实的错误，否则令人失望。

Wheelershill

世间事往往如此，版主可能是被冤枉的，韩森又何以见得沒有被冤枉呢？
我沒有见过原文标题是什么样的，译文标题是诛心论的样板。如果原文就是这样，那么我可以去投诉原文作者沒有职业道德，想必任何新闻机构不会警告和禁言我。如果原文不是这样，而是译成这样，那信达雅中的信何在？许你诛心韩森，不许我诛心你，实施双重标准。

astina

悉尼小波霸 发表于 2017-6-1 09:07
你提供的链接是一个完全不相干的新闻：
"Pauline Hanson uses dead policeman to deflect queries about  ...

原文你点进去看了吗？虽然内容有更新和补充，段落的前后顺序有交换，但是基本内容还是在那里的。现在在你嘴里变成完全不相干。新闻一出来的时候，网站主页这条新闻的标题就是韩森丑闻被披露而要砍abc预算。难道以后条条新闻都要抓图自证吗？

Dailytelegraph是偏右立场的报纸，如果新闻是ABC或者SMH的报道，不知道韩森的拥护者要睁眼说瞎话到何等地步呢

Pauli

好亚洲人果然开始花样洗地了

Pauli

好亚洲人果然开始花样洗地了

Pauli

看了链接里的原文 并没觉得和翻译有什么不对 鸡蛋里挑骨头的人真是辛苦了

astina

Wheelershill 发表于 2017-6-1 09:34
世间事往往如此，版主可能是被冤枉的，韩森又何以见得沒有被冤枉呢？
我沒有见过原文标题是什么样的，译文 ...

你没有见过一开始的文章是我的错咯？

就是现在的文章，还是有我译文里的大多数内容，你大可以去每日电讯投诉啊。就因为段落的变化，内容的扩充，你就指责我故意给了一个错误的链接。你到底有没有看完全文？

对不起我虽然是当事人，但是你这种侮辱译者，不尊重他人劳动的莫须有言论，你还得吃一张警告。这事我不避嫌

Wheelershill

astina 发表于 2017-6-1 10:06
你没有见过一开始的文章是我的错咯？

就是现在的文章，还是有我译文里的大多数内容，你大可以去每日电讯 ...

原文标题就风马牛不相及了。怀疑你指鹿为马完全正当而有理由。
译者要得到尊重必須忠于原文。误导读者是职业道德的䘮失。

Wheelershill

trigger warning

astina

我现在把目前这个链接的全文贴在这里。除了蓝色字样是我翻译以后补充的外，其余的昨天我翻译的时候已经在了。

PAULINE Hanson has urged the electoral watchdog to hurry up with its investigation into allegations One Nation failed to properly disclose an aircraft.

That call has earned a rebuke from Labor, accusing her of “outrageous interference” in an independent investigation.

Senator Hanson insists the Jabiru aircraft - which bears One Nation signage and has been serviced at least once using party funds - had “nothing to do with the party”.

“I rang up the AEC (Australian Electoral Commission) today and said ‘Will you please come down with your findings so that this can be settled?” she told radio 2GB.

Victorian businessman Bill McNee, who also donated funds to rent the party’s Brisbane office, “got the plane for (her chief of staff) James Ashby”.

“The donation never came through the party - it’s not a donation,” Senator Hanson said, adding Mr Ashby paid the insurance and “everything on that”.

Senator Hanson said she planned to take civil court action in regard to the leaking of telephone conversations in which she laments the public outing of Mr McNee as a donor.

She also lashed out the the ABC for being “too far to the left” and the Ten Network, which she said did not like her opposing media reforms.

Labor senator Murray Watt, who has pursued the One Nation leader over electoral law irregularities, said Senator Hanson was trying to shut down a proper investigation by the AEC.

“After this week’s leaked recordings, Senator Hanson’s attempt to rush the AEC is more proof that she has something to hide,” he said.

This comes as One Nation today threatened to vote against key budget measures unless the federal government slashes funding for the ABC.

One Nation’s Party whip Brian Burston says the party wants the public broadcaster’s allocation reduced by $600 million over four years.

“It’s about time we took a stand against the ABC because if it’s us and they destroy us, what is it next, the government?” Senator Burston said.

The ultimatum comes after the ABC broadcast a leaked recording in which One Nation leader Pauline Hanson appears to acknowledge a $106,000 Jabiru plane was donated by Victorian property developer Bill McNee.

The minor party would only consider supporting a planned hike in the Medicare levy designed to fully fund the national disability insurance scheme, because it didn’t want disabled Australians to be “held to ransom”.

When asked whether the government would be blackmailed by One Nation, Communications Minister told ABC radio, “We have a range of legislative measures before the parliament and we put them forward and ask our colleagues to consider those on their merits.”

Three-year funding for the ABC was established in the 2016 budget.

Labor senator Murray Watt, who has been pursuing One Nation over alleged electoral infringements, was scathing of the threat and demanded Senator Hanson make a full public statement.

“She can’t keep hiding from these questions forever,” he said.

An increasingly desperate Pauline Hanson today referenced the slaying of a Queensland policeman less than 24 hours after his fatal shooting.

The furious Queensland Senator refused to answer reporters’ questions yesterday about secret recordings that could create problems for her and other former senior One Nation officials.

Senator Hanson even referred to slain Queensland cop Brett Forte and the cold weather as she would not be drawn on increasingly serious claims over the origins of a light plane she used.

“I can’t believe that you would ask me some stupid question like that when I have had a gentleman shot dead in his electorate,” she said in Canberra yesterday.

“We have people homeless in the cold weather and you’re worried about that from some disgruntled ­people.”

The Australian Electoral Commission is investigating whether the Jabiru aircraft was donated by Victorian developer Bill McNee. Ms Hanson and her chief of staff James Ashby insist the plane is owned by Mr Ashby.

But in a taped conversation from November 20 last year Ms Hanson indicates to former party treasurer Ian Nelson that the aircraft was donated by Mr McNee.

“Who knows Bill’s name. No one. We always kept it very, very quiet,” Ms Hanson tells Mr Nelson in a secret recording handed to the AEC. In it she also appears to speculate that former party secretary Saraya Beric was responsible for leaks about the plane.

“Who knows that he paid the money upfront for the ­office ... It was the four of us that knew. It was tight-knit. I have to see what else she had said to them.

“I get pissed off, Ian, because people get the shits with me and then they go to the media and this turns to shit.”

Ms Beric has denied being the source of the leak.

That revelation has only added to Senator Hanson’s headaches, with the AFP, Queensland Police and the Queensland Crime and Corruption Commission making inquiries into an earlier recording in which Mr Ashby raised a plan to cash in on the state elections at the expense of candidates. Mr Ashby says the plan was never enacted, and Ms Hanson has insisted the party has disclosed all required donations.

Mr Ashby maintains the Jabiru, which was used by Senator Hanson during the 2016 federal election, was his and wasn’t donated to the party by Mr McNee.

Trade Minister Steve Ciobo said the latest tape would likely be added to the donation laws investigation.

cangaru

经济解释 发表于 2017-6-1 07:56
我可以说一句吗？
韩森虽然不是好人

你说了韩森不是好人

ABC也说韩森不是好人

然后你说ABC不咋地

是这逻辑吧

remexcong

cangaru 发表于 2017-6-1 11:39
你说了韩森不是好人

ABC也说韩森不是好人

不要忽略他在“不是好人”前面加的“虽然”，这两个字很重要，这表明了后面的话都是洗地。
虽然她很丑，但是她很温柔。
虽然她是坏人，但是ABC比她更坏。
虽然她是种族份子，但是她反对穆斯林。

kaien12345

cangaru 发表于 2017-6-1 11:39
你说了韩森不是好人

ABC也说韩森不是好人

一个人因为盗窃上法庭，法官判了他一个强奸谋杀再加贩毒。反正不是个好人，怎么判都可以，真是个好法官。

逻辑二字从你嘴里出来，是对这个词最大的侮辱。

经济解释

cangaru 发表于 2017-6-1 11:39
你说了韩森不是好人

ABC也说韩森不是好人

正解

cangaru

kaien12345 发表于 2017-6-1 12:18
一个人因为盗窃上法庭，法官判了他一个强奸谋杀再加贩毒。反正不是个好人，怎么判都可以，真是个好法官。 ...

逻辑是要基于证据的，不是张嘴乱喷的

ABC作为西方媒体，遵循西方媒体新闻自由原则

如果你指控此媒体有职业操守的问题，这也应当是基于证据的指控，否则也是乱喷而已

逻辑如此

悉尼小波霸

astina 发表于 2017-6-1 10:01
原文你点进去看了吗？虽然内容有更新和补充，段落的前后顺序有交换，但是基本内容还是在那里的。现在在你 ...

我是看了现在的原文。我对翻译的内容不加评论，因为你早就说了原文更新了，没有必要纠集内容。但是原文的标题没有改变。至少在你发译文时已经是这样的了，否则你提供的链接也不会包括现在的标题。

忠实原文的翻译恐怕最重要的是忠实原文的标题。一方面标题是概括、点睛之笔，一方面很多人时间少，先看或只看标题。标题的中文翻译和原文比较如下：

译文：“韩森要求削减报道她丑闻的ABC的预算”
原文：“Pauline Hanson uses dead policeman to deflect queries about dodgy donations to One Nation”

恐怕很少有人会认为译文标题是原文的标题的忠实翻译。

译文强调了，至少隐含了Hanson要求消减ABC经费和ABC报道其丑闻的因果关系。而原文标题只是关于Hanson丑闻的报道。

timeoutbleh

kaien12345 发表于 2017-6-1 12:18
一个人因为盗窃上法庭，法官判了他一个强奸谋杀再加贩毒。反正不是个好人，怎么判都可以，真是个好法官。 ...

见风使舵哥又来这里大义凌然的教训别人了

悉尼小波霸

timeoutbleh 发表于 2017-6-1 19:07
歇了吧，论坛那么多翻译不恰当的你怎么屁都不放一个，你要是翻译nazi也行，可偏偏不是，一个汉森的新闻看 ...

希望你至少能够就是论事，不要理屈词穷就人生攻击。

michelleW

小人得痔

qj94

timeoutbleh

悉尼小波霸 发表于 2017-6-1 19:12
希望你至少能够就是论事，不要理屈词穷就人生攻击。

哎呦，谁在跟你讲理啊？讲得着吗？你回去看看自己以前的发言，人身攻击还少吗？我只不过用你跟别人说话的方式跟你说话而已，怎么？受不了了？讽刺啊

timeoutbleh

悉尼小波霸 发表于 2017-6-1 19:32
我已经举报了你人身攻击。看足迹管不管就能看出版主是否公平公正了。 ...

随便，下次你人身攻击也要记得这么有正义感，把自己也给举报了

例如：
”这个“软件工人”真是空的很，整天在这里胡言乱语。难道这个“工人”没工可做了？上网找存在感？”



举报被你这种人用真是莫大的讽刺

悉尼小波霸

timeoutbleh 发表于 2017-6-1 19:38
随便，下次你人身攻击也要记得这么有正义感，把自己也给举报了

例如：

对不起，忘了你和软件工人一样空，整天泡网上专业发帖。

timeoutbleh

悉尼小波霸 发表于 2017-6-1 20:03
对不起，忘了你和软件工人一样空，整天泡网上专业发帖。

你发贴频率可是比我高啊。。你说话前先琢磨琢磨可以吗？