一个澳洲同事的葬礼

flyingf4u

拙泥 发表于 2016-1-24 02:13
How did you know the exact reason of his suicide?

Not any reason could support you taking your own life or any other's life. It is a Sin!

flyingf4u

拙泥 发表于 2016-1-24 02:16
The first question my pastor would ask is ' which bible verse do you want me to help to understand ...

you just need to raise this simple question to him" I want to kill myself, is that a Sin?"

拙泥

flyingf4u 发表于 2016-1-23 23:20
you just need to raise this simple question to him" I want to kill myself, is that a Sin?"

I do not want to discuss whether it is a sin or not to kill oneself. I want to know which bible verses your statement below was based on ."自杀之人最可耻和懦弱，不顾家人感受，不顾孩子，逃避责任，死后不得超生"
The question is whether this is your personal view or the biblical view.

flyingf4u

拙泥 发表于 2016-1-24 02:28
I do not want to discuss whether it is a sin or not to kill oneself. I want to know which bible ve ...

My statement of that ="Taking someone's life or your own life is a Sin". If you agree it, you should have no problem to understand or agree my statement.

flyingf4u

拙泥 发表于 2016-1-24 02:28
I do not want to discuss whether it is a sin or not to kill oneself. I want to know which bible ve ...

So do you agree " Taking someone's life or your own life is a Sin"?

拙泥

flyingf4u 发表于 2016-1-23 23:32
My statement of that ="Taking someone's life or your own life is a Sin". If you agree it, you shou ...

自杀之人最可耻和懦弱，不顾家人感受，不顾孩子，逃避责任，死后不得超生= ' taking one's own life is a sin'?  If so please edit your statement and replace it with the literate translation which would be ' 自杀是一种罪'
They are VERY different to my understanding and I assume to many others.

拙泥

flyingf4u 发表于 2016-1-23 23:32
My statement of that ="Taking someone's life or your own life is a Sin". If you agree it, you shou ...

By the way, it is respectful and responsible to quote the bible verses if you claim a view to be a biblical view. I do not understand why you 'do not dare' to do so and indeed dare not to do so? Any explanation?

what

离婚对男人真是不公平

flyingf4u

拙泥 发表于 2016-1-24 02:38
自杀之人最可耻和懦弱，不顾家人感受，不顾孩子，逃避责任，死后不得超生= ' taking one's life is a sin ...

作为教徒，我觉得原罪“SIN” 是可耻的和懦弱的。这是我对原罪的感受，并不是教义。让你误解和纠结了，你英文表达不清，早说不就行了吗。自杀是SIN，这没有什么可争议的。每个教徒对罪的感受不同，你选者原谅和支持，我选者唾弃和鄙视，这是我个人的感受。我不反对你对自杀的人同情和支持，但我希望你不要干涉我自己的感受，我认为这个罪就是一个懦弱的，不负责任的男人不能饶恕的罪行。

flyingf4u

拙泥 发表于 2016-1-24 02:44
By the way, it is respectful and responsible to quote the bible verses if you claim a view to be a ...

因为我把解释的权利留给你的牧师，擅自引用圣经和解释圣经是对主的不敬。为何你不问你牧师，一直要我引用和解释圣经呢？我不是牧师，请不要逼迫我做玷污主和圣经的事情，也请你尊敬你的牧师。

拙泥

flyingf4u 发表于 2016-1-23 23:46
作为教徒，我觉得原罪“SIN” 是可耻的和懦弱的。这是我对原罪的感受，并不是教义。让你误解和纠结了，你 ...

So your statement of '死后不得超生' means 'not forgivable before you' not 'unforgivable before God? An VERY important difference, can I say?
PLEASE make it clear.

拙泥

flyingf4u 发表于 2016-1-23 23:46
作为教徒，我觉得原罪“SIN” 是可耻的和懦弱的。这是我对原罪的感受，并不是教义。让你误解和纠结了，你 ...

Could you please point out which sentence of my English causes confusion?

flyingf4u

拙泥 发表于 2016-1-24 02:50
Could you please point out which sentence of my English causes confusion?

Every word of your English is confusion I am sorry I have to say that. You did not quote which of my statement you disagree at the first place, that makes logical confusion to me.

拙泥

flyingf4u 发表于 2016-1-23 23:49
因为我把解释的权利留给你的牧师，擅自引用圣经和解释圣经是对主的不敬。为何你不问你牧师，一直要我引用 ...

I repeat, I never asked you to interpret or explain the bible verses. You need to show why you have the right to claim  that you statement of " 自杀之人最可耻和懦弱，不顾家人感受，不顾孩子，逃避责任，死后不得超生' is from The Lord.
Otherwise anyone would be able to express his/her personal view and claim it to be the Lord's teaching!

flyingf4u

拙泥 发表于 2016-1-24 02:49
So your statement of '死后不得超生' means 'not forgivable before you' not 'unforgivable before God ...

Please make it clear that do you agree " Taking someone's life and your own life is a Sin?" you keep avoiding this question, but this is the key question you need to face. I need your answer to continue our discussion.

flyingf4u

拙泥 发表于 2016-1-24 02:54
I repeat, I never asked you to interpret it explain the bible verses. You need to show why you hav ...

Please read my reply about my statement.

拙泥

flyingf4u 发表于 2016-1-23 23:53
Every word of your English is confusion I am sorry I have to say that. You did not quote which of  ...

Please refer to 49#. I did quote the statement that I did not agree with

flyingf4u

拙泥 发表于 2016-1-24 02:57
Please refer to 49#. I did quote the statement that I did not agree with

If you did not agree that" Killing someone including yourself is a Sin", I have nothing to discuss with you because it is clearly you didn't understand Bible. I doubt that do you visit your local Church every week?

拙泥

flyingf4u 发表于 2016-1-23 23:55
Please make it clear that do you agree " Taking someone's life and your own life is a Sin?" you ke ...

I am not avoiding that. Simply because it would involve lot's of insight and understanding of the bible, which I am afraid I do not have time for today. If there has to be a simple answer , yes, I do believe it is a sin (little s, meaning an act of Sin) ('Sin' with capital S is an uncountable noun and  refers to the original sin)

My only purpose of my discussion was to make it clear to everyone whether your statement '自杀之人最可耻和懦弱，不顾家人感受，不顾孩子，逃避责任，死后不得超生' is your personal view or the biblical view. If you claim it to be a biblical view you have to prove it.

Sunnister

cuifen 发表于 2016-1-23 13:41
语文是体育老师教的

地，表示动作的前面修饰，需要用土也地

Sunnister

朱古丽豆D 发表于 2016-1-23 14:16
就是，难怪有人认为他们很虚伪

哈哈，这叫虚伪，看起来只有茹毛饮血才叫真实

flyingf4u

拙泥 发表于 2016-1-24 03:06
I am not avoiding that. Simply because it would involve lot's of insight and understanding of the  ...

I already answered this question, please read carefully my reply.
Since you admit that "Killing is a Sin", my second question is that" Is the sin of Killing someone forgivable if it is under some circumstance ?"
For example, if you are in depression and feel like to take someone's life to release your depression, is this sin forgivable?

拙泥

flyingf4u 发表于 2016-1-24 00:12
I already answered this question, please read carefully my reply.
Since you admit that "Killing i ...

So do you mean that the statement "自杀之人最可耻和懦弱，不顾家人感受，不顾孩子，逃避责任，死后不得超生' is your personal view instead of biblical view? Please clarify with a simple 'yes' or 'no'

flyingf4u

拙泥 发表于 2016-1-24 03:19
So do you mean that the statement "自杀之人最可耻和懦弱，不顾家人感受，不顾孩子，逃避责任，死后不 ...

I already answered this question, please read carefully my reply.
Since you admit that "Killing is a Sin", my second question is that" Is the sin of Killing someone forgivable if it is under some circumstance ?"
For example, if you are in depression and feel like to take someone's life to release your depression, is this sin forgivable?

拙泥

flyingf4u 发表于 2016-1-24 00:25
I already answered this question, please read carefully my reply.
Since you admit that "Killing  ...

Thanks for your careful reply. Could you please simplify the answer  with one word 'yes' or 'no' . Sorry, but I am confused what your answer is.

flyingf4u

拙泥 发表于 2016-1-24 03:28
Thanks for your careful reply. Could you please simplify the answer  with one word 'yes' or 'no' . ...

Since you admit that "Killing is a Sin", my second question is that" Is the sin of Killing someone forgivable if it is under some circumstance ?"
For example, if you are in depression and feel like to take someone's life to release your depression, is this sin forgivable?

拙泥

flyingf4u 发表于 2016-1-24 00:25
I already answered this question, please read carefully my reply.
Since you admit that "Killing  ...

I think it is more sensible to discuss this topic in a separate post. I'd love to join the discussion. There is a section called 'religions and faith' (宗教信仰板块）I believe?

flyingf4u

拙泥 发表于 2016-1-24 03:31
I think it is more sensible to discuss this topic in a separate post. I'd love to join the discuss ...

Could you just simple answer by yes or no for the following questions? I had keep asking you for many times, why are you avoiding?


Since you admit that "Killing is a Sin", my second question is that" Is the sin of Killing someone forgivable if it is under some circumstance ?"
For example, if you are in depression and feel like to take someone's life to release your depression, is this sin forgivable?

拙泥

flyingf4u 发表于 2016-1-24 00:30
Since you admit that "Killing is a Sin", my second question is that" Is the sin of Killing someon ...

Sorry, but could you please answer my question first with a simple 'yes' or 'no' before we proceed to a different topic? I believe I deserve an answer for a question that was asked first and asked repeatedly.

flyingf4u

拙泥 发表于 2016-1-24 03:35
Sorry, but could you please answer my question first with a simple 'yes' or 'no' before we proceed ...

I already answered this question, please read carefully my reply.
Since you admit that "Killing is a Sin", my second question is that" Is the sin of Killing someone forgivable if it is under some circumstance ?"
For example, if you are in depression and feel like to take someone's life to release your depression, is this sin forgivable?