难道就这么让邻居白占了我家的地吗？

carrieyee

这个标题误导啊

Y叔

MLG 发表于 2013-4-18 21:21
真的吗？版主！难道我还得多花钱从新做吗

律师说的

飞尘勿扰

LZ找原来的Fender，要求他改正，否则寻求法律途径解决。你这标题也太不地道了，还好你邻居不懂中文，不上足迹…

看不到

说来说去，还是lz自己找的人弄错了，其实一脚宽，不也就10cm左右吗，没多大影响吧

MLG

ys98 发表于 2013-4-18 21:45
律师说的

分分明天补上，请广开金口不要惜字如金啦，我都急死啦

jw888

男人女人小人的脚差别很多

Y叔

MLG 发表于 2013-4-18 21:49
分分明天补上，请广开金口不要惜字如金啦，我都急死啦

我以前的房子占了邻居约20公分，隔壁房子卖了以后来了新邻居，他找人做了survey，跟我说%&&%……￥&***&。我跟他说，按法律办，他就没有下文了。

pengruijun

ys98 发表于 2013-4-18 21:08
15年以后就成既成事实了，要不回来了。

错， 给你个 SA 的关于fence 的解释
http://www.sa.gov.au/subject/Housing,+property+and+land/Building+and+development/Land,+boundaries,+surveying+and+sub-division/Fencing,+boundary+and+encroachment+disputes

Fences

Fences between neighbouring land should be located on the boundary but many aren’t precise. This doesn’t change the ownership of the land and doesn’t matter if both you and the neighbour can accept it. There is no legal requirement for a fence to be erected between neighbouring land. 。。

Simonjo

MLG 发表于 2013-4-18 21:39
是

呃，那就没啥争议了，既然你邻居不是故意占的，fence少这点地也没有影响你生活，不如就这样算了，跟邻居协商好，下次maintain fence的时候改回来。
按理说，双方共同出资，工程完工时你没提出异议就代表认可。你的邻居不太会因为你现在发现问题而同意出资修正，而且是往于他无利的方向修正。当然如果你愿意自掏腰包把fence改回来，邻居也没权利干涉，因为毕竟你的地就是你的地。

henda

pengruijun 发表于 2013-4-18 17:16
fence 和 boundary 是两个概念， fence 不能代替 boundary. 什么几年就要不回来的说法。完全不对。
装fence ...

过了9年要不回来。
法律规定9年内没有异议当成默认。邻居只要找个surveyor把夺占的范围画进自己的plan就等于是他的地了。

Y叔

pengruijun 发表于 2013-4-18 22:02
错， 给你个 SA 的关于fence 的解释
http://www.sa.gov.au/subject/Housing,+property+and+land/Building ...

南澳的法律和维州的未必一样

Y叔

http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au ... /article/1659#wrong

Your fence is in the wrong place
If your fence encloses some of your neighbour's land

By being in occupation of someone else's land, you acquire rights of possession in the land. After 15 years, the owner's title is barred and after 30 years you may claim full title if you are able to satisfy the Titles Office with proofs of your occupancy over that period. This is called "adverse possession".

As there is no disadvantage flowing from such occupancy, you may decide to leave the fence where it is. Any subsequent owner will inherit your possessory rights towards an ultimate claim to title.

If your neighbour demands that the fence be moved and you have been in occupation less than 15 years, you are legally obliged to yield possession to your neighbour and time will cease to "run" in favour of a claim.

Even after 15 years, you can agree to the land reverting to occupation by your neighbour. Pursuing rights in adverse possession involves some costs (particularly if your neighbour challenges your rights), so you should consider whether the land to be acquired is worth the potential costs both monetarily and to your neighbourhood relations.

If your neighbour has enclosed some of your land

You should immediately serve notice on your neighbour that he or she is wrongfully making use of your land, and demand removal of the fence. This is to assert your title to the land, so that your neighbour does not begin to accrue rights of possession through occupancy (see above).

Sometimes "self-help" removal of the fence is permitted, but you should first be sure that your neighbour has not already accrued rights of adverse possession against your title.

Where there has been a mistake but no-one wants the cost of relocating the fence

If the fence has been wrongly located, you can if you wish decide to leave it in position, but you and your neighbour should sign an agreement to the effect that the location of the fence is without prejudice to the property rights of either party. The party who has the other party's land enclosed should acknowledge that he or she is occupying it under licence and disclaim any rights of possession that might otherwise arise from occupancy.

If your neighbour claims a right of possession

If your neighbour claims to enjoy possessory rights over part of your title and you accept that he or she has enjoyed the use of the land for 15 years or more, you can consent to the land being transferred to your neighbour and your own title being amended. This process, known as title rectification, takes place administratively through the Titles Office. However, in exchange for your consent, you should try to persuade your neighbour - who is getting the benefit of the land - to bear the costs of the process, which can be quite substantial ($1200 or more).

If you do not accept your neighbour's claim to possessory title, and you cannot reach a compromise, your respective property rights will ultimately have to be determined by a Court (usually the Supreme Court). You cannot use the Magistrates' Court to determine the position of a fence when no other aspect of the fence is in dispute and the dispute about the location of the fence involves a claim in adverse possession. The matter is then a property dispute rather than a fencing dispute.

civ

Simonjo 发表于 2013-4-18 22:07
呃，那就没啥争议了，既然你邻居不是故意占的，fence少这点地也没有影响你生活，不如就这样算了，跟邻居 ...

但是最好和邻居写个书面的东西确认这个事实，保证不要你的地，下一次修FENCE的时候改过来。具体怎么写，可能还是找个懂行的吧。

civ

飞尘勿扰 发表于 2013-4-18 21:46
LZ找原来的Fender，要求他改正，否则寻求法律途径解决。你这标题也太不地道了，还好你邻居不懂中文，不上足 ...

是呀，过了多久，当时有跟FENCER定好安装的位置吗？ 如果有， 应该可以要求改过来吧，

H妈妈

ys98 发表于 2013-4-18 23:26
http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/lawreform/inquiries/article/1659#wrong

Your fence is in the wrong  ...

啊？有人知道NSW的规定吗？我也是自己找的fencer,自己承担所有费用，然后居然给我装成我家从fence中心开始算少了60mm!我晕！他解释说不要紧，法律上我还是合法拥有这部分面积的。还有部分钱没付，我是否要他改好后再给钱？大家给点意见吧

H妈妈

H妈妈 发表于 2013-4-19 02:49
啊？有人知道NSW的规定吗？我也是自己找的fencer,自己承担所有费用，然后居然给我装成我家从fence中心开 ...

UP

H妈妈

henda 发表于 2013-4-18 23:12
过了9年要不回来。
法律规定9年内没有异议当成默认。邻居只要找个surveyor把夺占的范围画进自己的plan就 ...

Which state?

飞尘勿扰

H妈妈 发表于 2013-4-19 01:49
啊？有人知道NSW的规定吗？我也是自己找的fencer,自己承担所有费用，然后居然给我装成我家从fence中心开 ...

不改好，不给钱还要投诉去

hanjuju

civ 发表于 2013-4-19 00:43
但是最好和邻居写个书面的东西确认这个事实，保证不要你的地，下一次修FENCE的时候改过来。具体怎么写， ...

如果这么复杂，那不如就找fencor重新装过，否则很多年后的事情谁说得清。

H妈妈

飞尘勿扰 发表于 2013-4-19 13:24
不改好，不给钱还要投诉去

I don't want to make it hard for the fencer.

As long as I can claim the piece of land back later, I'm fine with it.

But if I can't...and by law it'll be regarded as neighbour's asset after certain amount of period...I'm not happy about it.

Any one knows the law in NSW?

生菜先生

pengruijun 发表于 2013-4-18 17:16
fence 和 boundary 是两个概念， fence 不能代替 boundary. 什么几年就要不回来的说法。完全不对。
装fence ...

这才是专业观点。地界是以法律文件为准的，不以fence为准。你只要愿意，可在自己家里建无数fence，但不算是地界。找一个测量员，把地测一下，留下法律纪录就行了。邻居也不会为这点地发动战争，别紧张，不要阴谋论。这样想，假如这个fence切进了邻居一块地，你不是有意的，你的邻居召来朝鲜人民军，要与你决一死战 ，你会如果处理？

H妈妈

http://www.lawassist.lawaccess.n ... sfences_fences.html

H妈妈

H妈妈 发表于 2013-4-19 15:43
http://www.lawassist.lawaccess.nsw.gov.au/lawassist/lawassist_fences/lawassist_boundarieshome_fences ...

It seems that fence and boundary is different in NSW. You can request to serve your neighbour the boundary notice if you want to claim it back properly

lucyliu8472

H妈妈 发表于 2013-4-19 14:44
It seems that fence and boundary is different in NSW. You can request to serve your neighbour the  ...

what about VIC, fence and boundary is same?

What is you want to subdivide and build new house, if neighbour take some of your land, then will affect subdivision and driveway width?

H妈妈

lucyliu8472 发表于 2013-4-19 15:58
what about VIC, fence and boundary is same?

What is you want to subdivide and build new house, i ...

Not sure. Law in every state is different...

Ausiewolf

几号脚？

MLG

H妈妈 发表于 2013-4-19 01:49
啊？有人知道NSW的规定吗？我也是自己找的fencer,自己承担所有费用，然后居然给我装成我家从fence中心开 ...

同病相怜啊

MLG

H妈妈 发表于 2013-4-19 14:44
It seems that fence and boundary is different in NSW. You can request to serve your neighbour the  ...

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byr

不管在哪个州，应该找建围栏的人把Fence移到旧Fence的地点

H妈妈

MLG 发表于 2013-4-19 16:39
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Try this one
http://www.lawassist.lawaccess.n ... wassist_fences.html