我的问题，还是鬼子们的问题

Cathyyun

我们公司连老外同事都不怎么聊天，要是办公室没人打电话的话经常就更没人在一样的安静。实在不喜欢这样，唉

凡戈

原帖由 yqleaf 于 2007-8-14 22:10 发表
说说我的看法。搂主走了三四家公司了，都碰到这样的情况，公司里语言当然是我们的主要问题了，以及由此产生的兴趣问题，话题问题，那没办法，不是短时间能解决的；还有一个为人问题。老外和中国人一样，都愿意跟和 ...

非常支持，“多干活，不耍小聪明，多帮助别人，诚实，诚恳，总之，不怕吃小亏”。

kiddyzheng

原帖由 yqleaf 于 2007-8-14 22:10 发表
说说我的看法。搂主走了三四家公司了，都碰到这样的情况，公司里语言当然是我们的主要问题了，以及由此产生的兴趣问题，话题问题，那没办法，不是短时间能解决的；还有一个为人问题。老外和中国人一样，都愿意跟和 ...

其实所有问题都可以归结到个人身上，确实大家都喜欢风趣的充满活力的人。在一个语言不同的环境里，一个能放得开的人，就是能较好融入。这我承认，也看到了这一点：中国人在和外国人打交道的过程中，这种感染力被削弱了一半有多。

kiddyzheng

原帖由 viviancn 于 2007-8-13 21:17 发表
lz的英语怎样？他们聊天的内容都能听懂吗？

我刚来的时候就是同事聊天的内容不能全听懂，所以也插不上什么话。那时候也挺郁闷的，又不好意思老让人家解释什么意思。时间久了，听习惯了，就能参与到聊天中一起聊 ...

我能听懂绝大部分~~ 我英文不算是很糟糕，但用在聊天就问题大了，话题转瞬即逝，你吭哧吭哧憋出一句，人家“轻舟已过万重山”了。

黑黑

原帖由 kiddyzheng 于 2007-8-14 23:36 发表


我能听懂绝大部分~~ 我英文不算是很糟糕，但用在聊天就问题大了，话题转瞬即逝，你吭哧吭哧憋出一句，人家“轻舟已过万重山”了。

米兔.  反驳他们费老劲儿了.

对酒当歌

原帖由 凡戈 于 2007-8-14 22:46 发表


非常支持，“多干活，不耍小聪明，多帮助别人，诚实，诚恳，总之，不怕吃小亏”。

支持这个

我一直相信"致诚感通"

只要公司文化不糟糕,待人真诚,总是有回报的
另外,要多参加他们的活动

小昭

看lz地描述，好像局面在你感觉已经很紧张了。最好不要那么紧张了。如果感觉人家对你不友善，这时候你越紧张，就更加觉得气氛紧张。 试试先做好自己的事情，上下班打招呼还是坚持，但是也不用表现得特别热络。然后工作中能帮到别人就帮别人，从相对比较和气的人入手，然后再扩大圈子。实在要是同事们都太各色，也就别把这事情放在心上了。就当上班卖苦力挣钱，下班周末该怎么玩还是怎么玩。千万别让上班的不开心情绪污染到其它时间，一天还有好多小时呢！。

水无痕

可能是楼主自身的原因.
而这个原因我们是看不到的. 或许中国人眼里你很和善,老外看你确很冷酷,不敢和你说话
我有一个朋友, 每次和他走在街上, 对面走来各种老外都喜欢和他说HI,他就回个hi或者点个头,象个将军视察似的..我问他为什么老外都和你打招呼,因为这在繁忙的悉尼并不常见.他也不清楚. btw,我中国朋友第一次见他都不敢说话........真说不清楚老外觉得他很man呢,还是觉得他friendly,还是怕他所以不得不说HI~

Docklands

I have the same feeling now.  I have been in the company for 3 months. I felt vey happy in the first 3 months. The boss and colleagues are quite nice and friendly. I also preformed very well both in work and social activitis. I felt confident to chat with them even my english is not good.  But recently I found something changed.  I felt worse and worse. I could not find topic to talk with my colleagues. I couldn't understand what they talked to me.   I wandered why I lost my confidence in the work.

海芋

先后呆过四个公司，觉得大多人还是好的。感觉是相互的，LZ觉得其他人和你疏远，其实你心里也在疏远他们吧。大家聊天的时候，你就使劲听，能插话就插话，慢慢就好了。当然了女的好象容易一点。我现在怀孕了，一下子好多人主动跟我说话。

海芋

原帖由 水无痕 于 2007-8-16 11:33 发表
可能是楼主自身的原因.
而这个原因我们是看不到的. 或许中国人眼里你很和善,老外看你确很冷酷,不敢和你说话
我有一个朋友, 每次和他走在街上, 对面走来各种老外都喜欢和他说HI,他就回个hi或者点个头,象个将军视 ...

没错。我LG也是这样，我们刚来还分不清东南西北的时候，他站在大街上就有别的老外过来问他路。奇怪了。在公司里微笑很重要，不管认识不认识，点个头总不失什么。

maribel

原帖由 海芋 于 2007-8-16 12:27 发表
先后呆过四个公司，觉得大多人还是好的。感觉是相互的，LZ觉得其他人和你疏远，其实你心里也在疏远他们吧。大家聊天的时候，你就使劲听，能插话就插话，慢慢就好了。当然了女的好象容易一点。我现在怀孕了，一下子 ...

等你生了，找你说话的估计更多了

kiddyzheng

嗯，那看来多数人意见，还是我自己的问题了。鬼子没问题。

要去考虑看精神科医生了，反正这样下去不行，不知道是抑郁呢还是幽闭。。。。

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苏苏

LZ别灰心，一切都会好起来的，别太在意了，有什么不高兴的说出来就好了。
我自己就是这样，呵呵。有时候太往心里去不好，那天参加一个培训被问到“如果遇到压力，你的表现会怎样？是不是会失眠？”想了半天，自己没有怎么失过眠，也许是我老油条了，也许是我太迟钝，嘻嘻
相信一切都会好起来的，不是吗？不要太在意，这个问题不是只有两个答案的，不是你或是老外哪一方面有问题，不过是切入点可能还不是时候。

zzgirl

Don't worry too much. Western ppl are very simple. they will be happy even if you share what happen on your weekend. or maybe some trouble in your life. Or you can try to share some promotion info to them.

Good Luck

degra

原帖由 zzgirl 于 2007-8-20 12:10 发表
Don't worry too much. Western ppl are very simple. they will be happy even if you share what happen on your weekend. or maybe some trouble in your life. Or you can try to share some promotion info  ...

cannot agree on this, is "Western ppl are very simple" or"ppl are very naive" ?

daisydu

不管做什么事情，心态总是很重要。
放松心情，不要总想着跟同事相处的事~~
还是保持和同事打招呼。
我们没办法控制别人怎么对待我们，但我们可以尽量让自己做到最好！

chinesegirl2007

do not try to make them happy, just keep the way where u r, and then u will find, other cool person will have a try on talking with u.

Supercobra

原帖由 chinesegirl2007 于 2007-8-26 04:25 发表
do not try to make them happy, just keep the way where u r, and then u will find, other cool person will have a try on talking with u.

贝贝

确实英语不是我们的强项，所以说话的时候尽量简单，几个单词就搞定的，不要讲长篇大论。当然性格很重要，我们公司有个女的特能说，不过一般都在说废话，大家听了一点就不想继续听了，她虽然是澳洲本地人，不过人缘极差。也不知道为什么。

新人去就尽量走街串巷都打个招呼，把那些名字容易的记下来的，名字不容易记的，自己给他取个名字，以便下次好叫。没事就瞎喊他们的难念的名字, 抓住时机聊天，首先眼睛先看看对方，如果对方也看着你，就过去搭讪，带上一点香口胶，或者tictac能吃的东西，问他要不要。

公司里面是个人跟你对面走过来都要至少笑笑吧？

新人去聊天最简单啦，请教问题，问你原来是怎么做的啊？我觉得好难啊，搞不定啊。。。一会吃饭能不能叫上我？一个人太可怜了，

没几天就混熟了啦～

开朗的性格决定了你在公司里面的受欢迎的程度，语言并不是太大的问题的，关键是态度，真的。

有些人说一个词你就想笑，有些人说一段话你就想睡觉。

yqleaf

自己冲咖啡的时候问问其他人要不要，要就帮着冲一杯；一起吃饭时给他们看看咱带的LUNCH，中国菜还是比较牛的，碰到馋的就让他／她尝尝；有人打喷嚏，就BLESS一下；别人的蛋糕糖果之类的问你要不要，就吃他几次；有时也带些咱特殊的东西给他们，比如月饼，粽子之类的；给他们讲讲咱的笑话，带色的最好（男的）；偶尔开开玩笑也无妨。。。细细微微，点点滴滴，说难，也不难

kiddyzheng

谢谢大家，好久没来看帖子了。现在的关系还是不冷不热，他们有什么话题讨论，或者发什么好笑的邮件的时候还是会把我撇在一边。当然现在也混个脸熟，大家也开始跟我笑笑啊，说个什么的，我主要是脑子慢，很多时候都是傻笑，基本回答不上来的。

lefu

i don't feel that at all, lucky me.
i was very quiet when i frist joint there, and lately, they started to talk to me as like how's your weekend, what did you do during the break,etc
and now, they talk to me even more cause i have a dog, i ask every thing about the dog to get the advise and they are happy to tell me everything they know.
try to talk to them about food after lunch, tell them somthing nice about asian food, if they intersting about what you mention , then you are in business.. also share the funny email around , it is help too...
good luck

archeray

1. company culture
2. your language skill
3. your interperson skill

dont worry about saying "good morning" anymore if you don't get any reponse. remember, they are nothing better than you except english. you will need to show your personality as well!

I have been number of companies for the last 10 yrs, I found personality was most important. besides that, language and culture barriers.......... just be patient, don't give up and keep trying. You will be there one day. but be prepared that you will never be 100% the same as them as you didn't grew up with them.

Hope this helps.

archeray

原帖由 kiddyzheng 于 2007-8-12 23:04 发表
一直想问一个问题，澳洲问候的习惯是 说完 How are you之后就立马扭头吗，不需要 等我回答good, and you？但我看了其他很多同事都互相问候啊，为啥他们不等我说一声good andyou就扭头呢，我现在每天都坚持对他们的 ...

"how r u" can mean Hi. so you don't have to reply and that person maynot wait for your response either.

kiddyzheng

Thanks for you comment, i just feel a bit weird if i don't reply..

i agree with all of your points except one. People who are sitting around me are all better than me in terms of knowledge, skills and, of course, language. There are three drafters around me, and they all stayed in this company or similar industry for more than ten years or so, They got grey hair, rich knowledge of almost everything,board network of people  etc.Could that be the reason that they keep distance with me?

i reckon so far the only thing is i m the perm staff and they are all contractor..:) therefore i m their boss!

archeray

they may have more experience than you. but that doesn't mean they are better than you. you may be 10 times smarter than them. however, there is no reason they treated you like that.

although you are perm staff, don't think you are the boss. this is completly wrong. perhaps that's why they don't wanna talk to you. ask yourself, was this part of the reason?

kiddyzheng

just joking mate~~ i never think in that way that i m their boss.. they r more likely to be my boss and supervisor at the moment

Just put myself into their shoes, i can understand why they treat me like that.

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archeray

you can try taking it up with you boss. it may be just misunderstanding. you never know. nothing personal.

pangpang

Kiddy, you seems care a lot about contrator, permanent too much. I don't see much difference. It depands on individual's preference. Contractors get freedom and higher pay rate. Permanent staff just get the feeling of security. No job is absolutely permanent. Take it easy!

One of my classmate in the Inventor couse told me that his company ask the draft to be permanent. But the draft refuse to be permanent. If I have choice and confident enough to my skills, I would choose to be contractor. So I can work 10 months a year and get same income as permanent. In the rest two month, I 'll be happy enough to do nothing or something.