discuss change job or not?

ASTRA

原帖由 baolqun 于 2007-7-31 13:42 发表


you did not compare with the hourly rate...
I d ratter work less time and get less...

可能您没有家庭或孩子, 没有房子, 所以没有压力.

我倒希望工作时间长点, 多积累点资金好摆脱打工...

个人不一样.

ASTRA

原帖由 baolqun 于 2007-7-31 13:42 发表


you did not compare with the hourly rate...
I d ratter work less time and get less...

可能您没有家庭或孩子, 没有房子, 所以没有压力.

我倒希望工作时间长点, 多积累点资金好摆脱打工...

个人不一样.

孤星

原帖由 qqyang 于 2007-7-31 13:27 发表
还需要你的financial position，还有你家庭的financial position，i.e有没有老婆孩子，就你一个人工作？

有没有TZ能够指导一下LZ，怎么去解释3年的gap？这个在resume里面太明显，肯定要给问到。

如果家庭经 ...

   

*i got the car(nearly$20k)
*single-always work hard- 29yr
*i think my finance so so- i got around 100k till now

thank u for give me more idea

astina

10万做个生意倒也可以起步了,不过还是问问你自己,想要怎样的生活方式,再决定接下去怎么走吧

baolqun

原帖由 ASTRA 于 2007-7-31 13:46 发表


可能您没有家庭或孩子, 没有房子, 所以没有压力.

我倒希望工作时间长点, 多积累点资金好摆脱打工...

个人不一样.

even for investment, you need time to do a lot of researching, money does not sit there and grow...

I mean I d rather save time to learn sth useful(help to make money) than just doing boring labor works for cash...

qqyang

原帖由 baolqun 于 2007-7-31 13:41 发表


r u sure that is average for junior accounting roles?
seems too low...

Only Big4 or large MNC will offer a junior that more than 40K+s.  Second tie firm might be also in the same level as big4 (maybe just a few K difference).  A local listed company might be around 35K+s.  Then if it is a small CPA firm/CA firm, small pty or bookkeeping firm, that might be 28K+s, or even less for Chinese.

According to LZ's experience, and his 3 years' gap not in line with accounting career goal, he is unlikely to be accepted by big4 or MNC or second tier or ASX listed, then an around 30K salary (package?) might be offered if he could find an accounting job.  However, the salary can be adjusted higher when he got local experience.

紫霞

原帖由 ASTRA 于 2007-7-31 13:39 发表
楼上的计算有错.

...

that's not my calculation. I just used upstairs data. Yuan Wang!!!

ASTRA

以你现在的年龄,能有100K, 很不容易.祝贺.

我觉得你现在的财务状况很好,可以做很多事. 又是单身.

如果能找到好的伴侣, 一起做事的话, 估计家庭可以生活的比较好了.

现在打LABOUR比较辛苦, 但是只要积累了足够的资金, 就可以开辟自己的生意.

如果想回到专业工作,那没什么好说的, 赶紧回头.由不得太多的犹豫.

astina

原帖由 ASTRA 于 2007-7-31 13:54 发表
以你现在的年龄,能有100K, 很不容易.祝贺.

我觉得你现在的财务状况很好,可以做很多事. 又是单身.

如果能找到好的伴侣, 一起做事的话, 估计家庭可以生活的比较好了.

现在打LABOUR比较辛苦, 但是只要积累了 ...

很中肯

qqyang

原帖由 astina 于 2007-7-31 13:49 发表
10万做个生意倒也可以起步了,不过还是问问你自己,想要怎样的生活方式,再决定接下去怎么走吧

还有个心理承受能力，下一天大雨就等于白交一天店租，如果是在shopping centre，不是每个人的心脏可以承受的。不过嘛，澳洲还是没多少雨的。

ASTRA

原帖由 紫霞 于 2007-7-31 13:53 发表


that's not my calculation. I just used upstairs data. Yuan Wang!!!

非常抱歉, 如果搞错了.我说的楼上是泛指以上的相关贴子, 不是特意说您.

ASTRA

原帖由 qqyang 于 2007-7-31 13:56 发表


还有个心理承受能力，下一天大雨就等于白交一天店租，如果是在shopping centre，不是每个人的心脏可以承受的。不过嘛，澳洲还是没多少雨的。

干什么都有风险, 打工的还担心公司不济要裁人,我想即便ASTINA这样的牛人也不敢说今天把工辞了,明天就能找到工作.

其实人只要不笨, 肯吃苦, 哪条路不是路. 关键是信心.

astina

别,别拿我做例子,我可不牛.我敢担保,我如果今天丢了工作,肯定要花一定时间,才能找到合适的下一个

qqyang

原帖由 astina 于 2007-7-31 14:05 发表
别,别拿我做例子,我可不牛.我敢担保,我如果今天丢了工作,肯定要花一定时间,才能找到合适的下一个

越高class的人才越难找到合适自己的工作。controller级别以上的搞不好要放自己半年假才行。

edina

原帖由 qqyang 于 2007-7-31 13:51 发表


Only Big4 or large MNC will offer a junior that more than 40K+s.  Second tie firm might be also in the same level as big4 (maybe just a few K difference).  A local listed company might be aroun ...

公司的工资相对高一点的，很少见到低于3万的会计工的，哪怕是entry level 的。

在澳洲而言，起点在大一点的公司不见得比firm差，相反我觉的在公司做更舒服。

ASTRA

原帖由 astina 于 2007-7-31 14:05 发表
别,别拿我做例子,我可不牛.我敢担保,我如果今天丢了工作,肯定要花一定时间,才能找到合适的下一个

抱歉ASTINA,不应该借用您的名,我只是想说打工的也有打工的风险.没有风险的事估计不多, 也轮不一般人.

astina

没问题,不用这么客气.

我觉得你说的挺对的,天下没有什么钱是好挣的.LZ要想的就是选一种合适自己的方式.

孤星

原帖由 ASTRA 于 2007-7-31 13:54 发表
以你现在的年龄,能有100K, 很不容易.祝贺.

我觉得你现在的财务状况很好,可以做很多事. 又是单身.

如果能找到好的伴侣, 一起做事的话, 估计家庭可以生活的比较好了.

现在打LABOUR比较辛苦, 但是只要积累了 ...

thanks

that is what i thought

*business- too high risk.. i worked in shopping centre. i saw many chinese boss they run the cafe shop, newspaper shop and smoking shop.they worked harder than me. but they can not make more money than me. no holiday, high rent, pay wage and too mang headache.....

*labour- in my idea from now.i just want to make as much as i can in the short term, then buy the good car and the unit to live. no much stress later on

*professional job--i got degree in china( finace) and the master degree of accounting in aussie. i think after i got car and house. i will back to professional job- easy and stable. but the problem is no local experience and lose too much accouting knowledge. maybe too hard to find the professional job later on

this why i so confused and i also know i got to pick up one road to go..

thank u for give me idea

qqyang

原帖由 edina 于 2007-7-31 14:09 发表



公司的工资相对高一点的，很少见到低于3万的会计工的，哪怕是entry level 的。

在澳洲而言，起点在大一点的公司不见得比firm差，相反我觉的在公司做更舒服。

firm成长快些，大公司里面就是要熬年头。我完全同意公司里面舒服些，否则，人们也不会从firm往公司跳了。但找个萝卜坑不容易，现在的问题是，估计LZ找大公司会有点困难，因为大公司一般要求根正苗红。

qqyang

LZ倾向于找个稳定的工作。我觉得还是要尽快开始投简历打电话这个过程，不试探一下市场反应很难说怎样的。如果害怕专业知识忘光了，可以找些地方做做volunteer，特别是bookkeeping的volunteer，把会计基础知识捡起来，Dr./Cr.搞顺，其他的准则什么的就是自己看书了。

zn7726

qqyang对会计行业很了解呀. 看过你很多的贴子, 还有那个"足迹最有潜力"贴, 哈哈, pfpf.

我家LD也是早晚要吃accounting这口饭的, 到时免不了麻烦你给指路呀.

如果LZ真的要走accounting这条路, 还是尽早行动. 多让周围的(和足迹的)业内朋友帮你规划一下, 扬长避短.

换车买房子都是次要的. 当然, 嫁人也是one of当务之急地.

GPS

Easy – Revision 2
Accroding to the latest info, assume everything are the same, except base rate.

1000 taxed
= 1310 taxable

Hourly
= 1310/12/5 = 21.833 hr taxable

*5*8
=873.33 /w taxable
=701.33/w  taxed

*52 = 45413/y taxable

O/T option

  (1310-873.33)/21.833= 20 hrs
  4 hrs extra a day. (Obviously same as shop job)

Washing dishes option

  10/hr taxed
  (1000-701.33)/10 = 30 hrs/w
  6 hrs extra a day
Option 3

  Assume, you start with 35K base job, with 5K you also wash for 4 hrs*5days a week .
  Also assume, your base increase 5K/year in the 1st 3 years, upto 45K, then increase 5% every years.
  Let's find out how many years will it take for you to get equivalence.

                               
        1000        52000 / Year        (1000*52)       
        4 hr washing        10400 /year        (10*52*4*5)       


year        taxable        taxed+ washing       
                                                      Total Income upto       
                                                                                1000 total income upto
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1        35000        40300        40300        52000
2        40000        43800        84100        104000
3        45000        47300        131400        156000
4        47250        48875        180275        208000
5        49613        50529        230804        260000
6        52093        52265        283069        312000
7        54698        54088        337157        364000
8        57433        56003        393160        416000
9        60304        58013        451173        468000
10        63320        60124        511297        520000
11        66485        62340        573637        572000
12        69810        64667        638304        624000
13        73300        67110        705414        676000
14        76965        69479        774893        728000


So, you need to wash 11 years' dishes.

qqyang

Sugar, 我怎么不知道LZ是女的呀？

我指啥路啊，你们前辈不要欺负小辈哦。呵呵~~~那个“潜力贴”大家讲的不是一回事，说到最后都没意思了。

我倒是愿意多交朋友。

孤星

原帖由 qqyang 于 2007-7-31 14:32 发表
LZ倾向于找个稳定的工作。我觉得还是要尽快开始投简历打电话这个过程，不试探一下市场反应很难说怎样的。如果害怕专业知识忘光了，可以找些地方做做volunteer，特别是bookkeeping的volunteer，把会计基础知识捡起 ...

  


thank for u idea.

i think u idea very useful and reasonable.

can u give me more idea in detail according to my situation. thanks again.

zn7726

原帖由 qqyang 于 2007-7-31 14:41 发表
Sugar, 我怎么不知道LZ是女的呀？

我指啥路啊，你们前辈不要欺负小辈哦。呵呵~~~那个“潜力贴”大家讲的不是一回事，说到最后都没意思了。

我倒是愿意多交朋友。

啊... 我也不知道LZ是男是女 ... 但愿别冒犯了人家

"闻道有先后,数也有专攻"吗, 对accounting这个行业你还是挺有见解和见识的, 找你请教很正常呀.

多交朋友的确是好事呀.

跑题了, 楼下继续

qqyang

原帖由 孤星 于 2007-7-31 14:42 发表

  


thank for u idea.

i think u idea very useful and reasonable.

can u give me more idea in detail according to my situation. thanks again.

Do you know anyone that can help you find a volunteer position in a CPA/CA firm, or in a small company as assisting bookkeeping? After 3-6 months volunteer work, you might be able to find an assistant accountant/account-all-around position in a small/medium company or a Junior accountant position in a small CPA/CA firm.  Then you can try to get the CPA/CA asap, that might be helpful to you be able to find an assistant accountant position in a larger company.  You could be hopefully settled down within 2-3 years.

qqyang

During the volunteer job, you need to know knowledge about a/r, a/p, trial balance, f/s, posting journals/adjustments, monthly closing, ABS, reconciliations, basic accounting information system, basic taxation, then, you could probably find an assistant accountant position.

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孤星

原帖由 qqyang 于 2007-7-31 14:50 发表


Do you know anyone that can help you find a volunteer position in a CPA/CA firm, or in a small company as assisting bookkeeping? After 3-6 months volunteer work, you might be able to find an as ...

thanks

what do u mean "Do you know anyone that can help you find a volunteer position in a CPA/CA firm"? how? from the chinese newspaper, they charge me $3000 if they give me this change to work in the firm for 3 month. i will work free for them and pay for them.

qqyang

10月31日前都是报税时间，你可以去周围的CPA/CA firm打听一下他们要不要人，准备好简历，直接走进去问前台就好了。正规一点的都是不收钱的。这个要靠你的勇气和毅力了，我记得我有同学就是这样找到第一份工的。

zn7726

a/r, a/p, trial balance, f/s, posting journals/adjustments, monthly closing, ABS, reconciliations, basic accounting information system, basic taxation

回去向领导报告

找volunteer也不是那么容易的, LZ别急. 看看报纸发发简历. 没看论坛里那么多TZ介绍和记录自己的找工作经历吗, 向他们一样学习吧. 找专业工作有时候是很漫长的, 漫长的让人发疯和绝望, LZ要有心理准备.