父母探亲，是否可以作为dependant relative多退税？

fatty

我退到一年，第二年会计师说不行了，ato查得很严，所以就没冒险。

lily07

fengqingyang 发表于 2012-8-19 17:28
这种问题每年税时节都会出现。讨论了很多次了。LZ搜一下以前的帖子吧。

我尝试搜过，但是搜不出来。应该用什么关键词来搜呢？

MU

回头望 发表于 2012-8-19 16:52
根据总结，现在报父母为dependant relative，ATO几乎100%会查。

如果已经递交移民申请，几乎没问题。

不是100%查的，50%而已

MU

父母的退税明年也没得退了

lily07

manunited 发表于 2012-8-19 18:26
父母的退税明年也没得退了

是新政策吗？

fengqingyang

lily07 发表于 2012-8-19 18:21
我尝试搜过，但是搜不出来。应该用什么关键词来搜呢？

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lily07

jtlld

中国的养老金收入也要填一些吧。。完全没有收入也不可能。。

LENNY_DONG

YOU CA NOT APPLY. SIMPLE AS THAT

TAX RESIDENT PURPOSE MEAN YOU MUST ENTITLE WORK HERE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING

stellapan

我的会计师明确告诉我这是不可以的,如果你父母是PR, 那没有问题。

ayuanx

STS-TAX 发表于 2012-8-21 11:30
YOU CA NOT APPLY. SIMPLE AS THAT

TAX RESIDENT PURPOSE MEAN YOU MUST ENTITLE WORK HERE FROM MY UNDER ...

你是对的，如果亲人是持不能工作的签证过来的，譬如旅游探亲签证，
因为不能工作，所以无需报税
因为不用报税，所以不是税务居民
因为不是税务居民，所以不能作为 Dependent Relative 退税

总之VISA种类这一条就已经卡死了，除非已经递出了PR申请

当然报税本来就是靠自觉，想铤而走险也是你自己的事
当然那样做一旦被查到罚款就别抱怨

fangguo721822

必须是一次连续呆在澳洲半年以上，已经递上移民申请的，或者已经是居民的，才可以，我去年就被查了，而且要求提供父母移民倾向证明和连续在澳洲半年以上证明

MU

fangguo721822 发表于 2012-8-21 15:29
必须是一次连续呆在澳洲半年以上，已经递上移民申请的，或者已经是居民的，才可以，我去年就被查了，而且要 ...

正解，提供出证明，ATO还是退钱的。

格美

我们家是PR，而且报收入的，去年也要求提供护照身份税号什么的，不知道今年要不要。

是否能退，网站上有一句，要居留意向，旅游，他们可以说这是没有居留意向的凭据。

lily07

Vxmon

年经贴

catgg

如果是持旅游签，按法律意义来讲，其实是不能够享有这个offset的。尤其今年查的特别严格，虽然说从税法角度有什么居住超过半年就可以算居民之类的之说，而且澳洲的法律也有这些空子可以钻。

可是旅游签不可以有税号，不可以打工，不可以享有任何政府的福利，其中最重要的就是medicare，所以，通常是不可以申请这个的。被ATO发现了，追加罚款的可能性也很大。

但是有些人没有被ato发现，也就没事。。。所以，楼主还是自己衡量和把握之间的利益关系吧

撑死胆大的，饿死胆小的。
澳洲的法律就是这样，玩文字游戏的。

simonwang

Have a look of examples ATO gives:

Intention or purpose of presence

Sometimes your stated intentions will be in contrast to your intentions as shown through your behaviour or actions.

Example of resident

Markus expressly states that he has no intention of staying in Australia. However, the way he has organised his personal life - bank accounts, 12-month lease on rental property - reveals that he is well prepared for a lengthy or ongoing stay. In this case, Markus is likely to be considered an Australian resident for tax purposes.

Example of foreign resident

Juliette states that she intends to stay in Australia for at least the next 10 years. Unfortunately, her visitor's visa only permits her to stay in Australia for a period of six months. The visa also forbids her to apply for a permanent resident's visa while in Australia.

The transitory nature and intended short duration of Juliette's stay mean that she will generally not be considered to be an Australian resident for income tax purposes.

simonwang

cycwong21 发表于 2012-8-19 00:51
Yes, even though they don't have Australian TFN, they are still tax residents if they have lived h ...

I don't think you're correct.

JohnnySu

cycwong21 发表于 2012-8-19 00:51
Yes, even though they don't have Australian TFN, they are still tax residents if they have lived h ...

Being physically present in the country for more than 183 days does not automatically put a "Resident for Tax Purposes" tag on a person.  

The ATO always automatically disallows Dependent/Parent offset claims when the dependent holds a TOURIST VISA. To claim the offset in this case you always have to prove the dependent's usual place of abode is Australia and he/she intends to take up residence here. These can be proved by e.g. family ties and business/investments in the country or the fact that the dependent has submitted application for permanent residency etc.

When it can be established that the dependent is a resident for tax purposes than you can look at other criteria for the offset e.g.combined family income and the dependent's income etc.

Also as someone mentioned above, if the dependent is a resident he/she will need to pay Australian tax on his/her world wide income.

Hope these clarify things up.

月亮

不可以，比如是PR才行，而且现在父母退税查得很严格，我可以退我的会计都让我别退，必查

JohnnySu

月亮 发表于 2012-8-23 10:22
不可以，比如是PR才行，而且现在父母退税查得很严格，我可以退我的会计都让我别退，必查 ...

If you are entitled to it you should claim. If the ATO reviews just provide information to support the claim.

月亮

taxbreak 发表于 2012-8-23 11:05
If you are entitled to it you should claim. If the ATO reviews just provide information to support ...

我用别的已经把税都退回来了，所以会计说这个就没必要再claim了

MU

呵呵。。别的比这个退的还多，可想而知得申请多少expenses啊

Banksy

是否税务居民是matter of fact, 是否有在澳洲长期居住的意向很重要的，目前没有成文法，只有案例可以借鉴，风险是很大的，所以会计师一般都不会推荐非PR申报。

mxgong

如果这6个月是跨税务年度的怎么计算？

cycwong21

mxgong 发表于 2012-8-23 12:13
如果这6个月是跨税务年度的怎么计算？

Bad luck.

cycwong21

taxbreak 发表于 2012-8-23 10:17
Being physically present in the country for more than 183 days does not automatically put a "Resid ...

For parents who can stay in Australia for more than 1 year, they won't hold tour visa. Tour visa normally only allows for 3 months.

cycwong21

taxbreak 发表于 2012-8-23 10:17
Being physically present in the country for more than 183 days does not automatically put a "Resid ...

LZ said his parents do not qulify to have Centrelink allowance nor have their own income. Therefore, I think he would be eligible for tax offset.

corexin

听会计说可以的。但他们得没工作。是不是pr我不知道。