谁能给俺扫盲一下：不是1400万人投票选总理吗？为何成了150个席位了？

wdmznzd

原帖由 manunited 于 2010-8-25 14:58 发表
所以选举之前大家说的，包括媒体报道的都对。。２个都很差。。最难受的是澳洲人民啊。。国家出不了人才。。尽出废才啊

澳洲人民并不难受啊，谁当总理实际都一样，不是乱世，不需要出英才，有点娱乐性更好。

黑山老妖

abbott作为反对党领袖来说做的很好了。但是这次的campaign来说，作为一个政党，自由党没有做好。
我看吉拉德在谈判完了以后可能做不长了。这次工党选举大败总要有人担责任的。Rudd或是swann或是shorten的机会来了。

micfox001

是嗎？我覺得這次NSW聯盟搶了不少席位啊。Bennelong不是NSW的斬獲嗎？

黑山老妖

按照NSW Labor的支持率来说再多点也正常。看新闻。现在就在blame NSW 自由党，说他们内耗造成至少少拿了2个席位。有了那两个席位就是自由党的天下了。我们也不用在这里讨论了。

micfox001

內耗？Liberal vs National？

黑山老妖

NSW liberal party's faction in-fight

黑山老妖

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-el ... 20100824-13qfu.html

看完这个就知道为什么Bennelong有那么多的poster可以把整个eastwood primary school给包围起来了。


[ 本帖最后由 黑山老妖 于 2010-8-25 15:59 编辑 ]

micfox001

其實得罪這些獨立議員的是National，不是Liberal， Abbott也不能說控制National的人說什麼話。當然到現在這個份上，諉過於人其實也於事無補。聯盟兩黨之間有分歧比起工黨一個黨內部內訌還是有很大區別的。

[ 本帖最后由 micfox001 于 2010-8-25 16:17 编辑 ]

黑山老妖

看我上面的那个link: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-el ... 20100824-13qfu.html
里面有关于NSW Liberal party的东西。

黑山老妖

Asked about his own side, Mr Abbott said ''it would be a pretty unusual political party that didn't have a frank and candid internal conversation about how it could do better next time''. But it was nothing like the goings-on inside Labor, he said.

Despite receiving a 4.1 per cent swing in NSW on Saturday, the Coalition picked up just two Labor seats - Bennelong and Macquarie. There was disbelief it failed to win the marginal central coast seat of Robertson, which had been held by Belinda Neal before she was replaced by Deborah O'Neill, and was all but written off by the ALP.

Blame was sheeted towards the state Liberal Chris Hartcher for not doing enough to help.

Greenway and Lindsay are both in western Sydney, yet the Liberals did not preselect candidates until just days before the election was called.

In Greenway, Mr Abbott personally approached the popular Blacktown councillor Nick Tyrell to stand, but Mr Tyrell failed to receive the blessing of the hard-right powerbroker David Clarke.

Liberals believe that had Mr Tyrell stood, his profile would have secured the precious extra few votes needed.

Liberals in Parramatta were angry that a candidate was not preselected until the day after the election was called and the seat's resources were directed towards Bennelong.

Ron Delezio, who almost unseated Daryl Melham in the safe seat of Banks, complained the party underestimated his chances of winning and starved him of funds.

micfox001

我看了，投票之前誰都不是神仙，誰都不能預料哪個區（特別是敵人的鐵區）會有大的swing（特別是在澳洲這種競選宣傳集中在兩黨領袖身上的特定選舉環境），再者，這次選舉在野黨事前也料不到Rudd6月份會下台，8月份就選舉吧（這就是執政黨佔先機的地方，這些時間都由工黨來掌握）。集中資源在marginal seat的搶奪這是很正常的事。事後諸葛亮誰不會做？如果投放資源在敵人的鐵區可能被罵得更死呢。

[ 本帖最后由 micfox001 于 2010-8-25 16:36 编辑 ]

黑山老妖

里面有state和federal较劲的部分。

micfox001

Greenway and Lindsay are both in western Sydney, yet the Liberals did not preselect candidates until just days before the election was called.

Liberals in Parramatta were angry that a candidate was not preselected until the day after the election was called and the seat's resources were directed towards Bennelong.

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從這兩句話看出這次選舉Liberal的準備是匆忙而且倉卒的，這正是沒有預料八月份會有大選的結果。工黨在用一些非常手段打對方一個措手不及的情況下也贏不到。


再者，聯邦的liberal為難state的liberal對自己又有什麼好處？難道搞到現在這境地，聯邦的那幫大佬就好過？

[ 本帖最后由 micfox001 于 2010-8-25 17:18 编辑 ]

wasd

为什么绿党搞来搞去就1个席位？

micfox001

你也别看少这一席位，对绿党来说，这是零的突破。我敢说选举当晚绿党肯定是大肆庆祝的，以后绿党的势力还会随着工党的结盟而大盛，所以你们去选工党吧，等于变相选绿党。