毒蘑菇案庭审吸引了人们排队旁听

pikemanz

说过一次谎，说别的也不会被相信了

Evo

今天陪审团不能达成一致，明天接着议

16:18
No verdict in mushroom murder trial today

Jurors in the Erin Patterson murder trial have concluded their deliberations for today.

The jury will resume deliberations at 10.30am tomorrow.

The Daily Mail's live coverage will commence from 8am local time on Friday, July 4.

Wangmingtaoau

歪个楼，朱令已经去世了，下毒者孙维还在澳洲吗？

SAland

Evo 发表于 2025-7-3 16:01
她不是连环杀手，不能用连环杀手的心态去分析她的心态。

这次聚餐，她其实也邀请了老公去吃饭，想一锅端 ...

这个其实也是一个存疑点，她老公没去，如果是谋杀应该找个借口取消聚会，等下次一锅端。。。

Evo

SAland 发表于 2025-7-3 17:28
这个其实也是一个存疑点，她老公没去，如果是谋杀应该找个借口取消聚会，等下次一锅端。。。 ...

也有可能是箭在弦上，不得不发。

好像没有新闻说她老公什么时候说不去的吧。说不定是其他客人都坐下了，她老公临时说不去的。

cjia222

坐等结果

SAland

Evo 发表于 2025-7-3 17:30
也有可能是箭在弦上，不得不发。

好像没有新闻说她老公什么时候说不去的吧。说不定是其他客人都坐下了， ...

记得有报道她老公一早就说不去了。。。

Evo

SAland 发表于 2025-7-3 18:27
记得有报道她老公一早就说不去了。。。

放心吧，如果这是个合理疑点的话，辩方律师不会漏过的。

星辰大海

Evo 发表于 2025-7-3 18:30
也有可能是箭在弦上，不得不发。

好像没有新闻说她老公什么时候说不去的吧。说不定是其他客人都坐下了， ...

我记得是头天晚上说不去，Erin说很失望，希望他改变主意第二天能到场。

Evo

星辰大海 发表于 2025-7-3 18:30
我记得是头天晚上说不去，Erin说很失望，希望他改变主意第二天能到场。

找到相关内容了：

Timeline of alleged events

During the opening arguments, the prosecution charted the history of Erin and Simon Patterson's marriage and her relationship with her four lunch guests.

This is the timeline of events in 2023 before and after the lunch, as set out by the prosecution:

February 12 — 15

Erin allegedly starts using two mobile phones, known as Phone A and Phone B, using a SIM card with the number 04XX XXX 783.

March 24

Erin is told she has tested negative for cervical cancer after a self-administered screening test.

April 18

A user on iNaturalist, a website for tracking plants and fungi, finds death cap mushrooms in the Loch area and posts about them online, before removing as many as she can.

April 28

The prosecution says Erin's mobile phone data suggests she travels to Loch before returning to Korumburra.

Two and a half hours later, Erin allegedly purchases a Sunbeam food lab electronic dehydrator from a Leongatha store.

March to May

Erin allegedly starts posting about dehydrating mushrooms in a true crime Facebook group, detailing how she put powdered mushrooms into different foods.

May 21

Another iNaturalist user posts a photo and the exact location of death cap mushrooms growing in Outtrim.

May 22

The prosecution says Erin's mobile phone data suggests she travels to Loch and Outtrim.

June 28

Erin allegedly tells Donald and Gail that she has an appointment with St Vincent's Hospital on this date, and tells Gail the next day a biopsy was taken of a lump in her elbow.

July 11

Erin allegedly connects a new SIM card with the number 04XX XXX 835.

July 16

Erin attends a service at Korumburra Baptist Church and invites Don, Gail and Simon Patterson and Ian and Heather Wilkinson to lunch on July 29.

July 28

Simon messages Erin, saying he will not be attending the lunch due to feeling too "uncomfortable".

July 29

Erin Patterson serves a lunch of beef Wellington to four guests at her home in Leongatha.

July 30

Don and Gail ring Simon, complaining of serious illness. They travel via ambulance to Dandenong Hospital.

Simon picks up Heather and Ian, taking them to Korumburra Hospital, then Leongatha Hospital.

Erin allegedly tells one of her children she feels unwell, and spends the day running errands with her children before serving them a meal she says is leftovers from the lunch.

July 31

Doctors at Leongatha and Dandenong Hospital confer about the poisonings. Don, Gail, Heather and Ian are transferred to the Austin Hospital in Melbourne.

Erin drops her children to school, then texts Simon and asks him to take her to hospital, but he tells her to get there herself.

Erin presents to Leongatha Hospital around 8am, but allegedly declines a full examination and checks herself out.

Over the next hour, her phone is recorded connecting to mobile phone networks towers in Leongatha, Koonwarra and Outtrim.

Erin returns to the hospital around 9:48am. She is transferred to Monash Medical Centre, and meets Simon and her children there.

Don and Gail arrive at Austin Hospital.

August 1

Heather and Ian arrive at Austin Hospital.

Despite escalating medical treatment, Donald, Gail and Heather continue to deteriorate.

Erin is assessed by a doctor at Monash, who says she appears clinically well and all her vital signs are within normal limits. She is discharged from hospital about 1pm.

The Department of Health interviews Erin about the lunch. She says she bought dried mushrooms from an Asian grocer in Melbourne's south-east.

August 2

Erin allegedly conducts a factory reset on Phone B, which she had been using before February 12.

She allegedly drives to Koonwarra Transfer Station and Landfill, and deposits items into an e-waste bin.

Monash Council begins visiting Asian-style grocery stores in Melbourne's south-east to find products matching Erin's description.

August 3

A Victoria Police investigation is launched into the July 29 lunch.

Erin allegedly moves her SIM card with the number 04XX XXX 835 into Phone B.

August 4

Heather dies at 2:50am.

Gail dies at 5:55pm.

Police travel to Koonwarra Transfer Station and find a black Sunbeam dehydrator in an e-waste bin.

August 5

Donald dies at 11:30pm.

A search warrant is executed at Erin's Leongatha house, where police seize Phone B with SIM card number 04XX XXX 835.

Erin is taken to Wonthaggi Police Station and interviewed.

August 6

Erin allegedly remotely conducts a factory reset of Phone B, which is still held by police.

Erin allegedly continues to use Phone A with number 04XX XXX 783. Police say they never recover this phone.

August 11

The Department of Health concludes its investigation and is unable to find any store selling mushrooms matching Erin's description.

September 11

Ian Wilkinson is moved into a rehabilitation ward.

November 2

Police arrest Erin and charge her with three counts of murder.

星辰大海

rayki 发表于 2025-7-3 16:57
她老公是以前也曾经中过毒蘑菇么？ 还是这次。
如果这次，那只能证明计量和她老公个体抵抗力的差异性。  ...

检控指Erin在iNaturalist上看到毒蘑菇报告，随后赶去发现地点。这网站上，附近地区就只有两次报告，在23年4月和5月。发现者都是蘑菇专家，也都出庭作证了。三项被撤销的谋杀未遂指控是对应Simon在21年和22年的三次住院。应该没有证据显示Erin那个时候就接触到毒蘑菇。毕竟这个在野外也非常少见，普通人难以识别。采摘足够毒死好几个人的量是很难的。

Yingzi6203

她毒死3个人已经是事实了、现在就是要判定她是故意杀人、还是过失杀人、是这个意思吧?

Evo

Yingzi6203 发表于 2025-7-3 19:57
她毒死3个人已经是事实了、现在就是要判定她是故意杀人、还是过失杀人、是这个意思吧? ...

要么是谋杀和谋杀未遂有罪，要么是完全无罪。

All or nothing.

Yingzi6203

Evo 发表于 2025-7-3 19:59
要么是谋杀和谋杀未遂有罪，要么是完全无罪。

All or nothing.

谢谢解疑。完全无罪、、、这个真接受不了、怎么滴3个老人也是死在她亲手做的食物上的。

rayki

星辰大海 发表于 2025-7-3 19:38
检控指Erin在iNaturalist上看到毒蘑菇报告，随后赶去发现地点。这网站上，附近地区就只有两次报告，在23 ...

嗯。 只能说Erin 要么是药理专家，要么私底下研究毒蘑菇很多年了。
以前有一部小说，也是真实事件改编，说一个女儿经常得病就是不好，直到最后才发现是她妈每天给她灌马药，是让马瘫痪的那种药。  在想Erin之前毒老公会不会用的药？
这件事很神奇，估计什么庭审结果可能都会出现。

QDay

Evo 发表于 2025-7-3 18:41
找到相关内容了：

原来前夫提前了一天告诉她会缺席午餐呀。

July 28

Simon messages Erin, saying he will not be attending the lunch due to feeling too "uncomfortable".

July 29

Erin Patterson serves a lunch of beef Wellington to four guests at her home in Leongatha.

benaus

全部一致应该需要一点时间

astina

如果判决有罪会不会证据不够强

像是造成历史上那个婴儿被dingo吃了的那个案子一样？

hgaox

astina 发表于 2025-7-3 21:25
如果判决有罪会不会证据不够强

像是造成历史上那个婴儿被dingo吃了的那个案子一样？ ...

被告人多次说假话 法官也明确指出了 这些都不构成定罪的必要条件

胡须康

Evo 发表于 2025-7-3 19:59
要么是谋杀和谋杀未遂有罪，要么是完全无罪。

All or nothing.

或者如果一開始沒想到毒蘑菇能殺死人，只是想讓對方惡心難受個幾天
可以算誤殺嗎

Evo

胡须康 发表于 2025-7-4 10:21
或者如果一開始沒想到毒蘑菇能殺死人，只是想讓對方惡心難受個幾天
可以算誤殺嗎 ...

被告如果招供说了这是她的动机，检方应该会按照manslaughter 的罪名起诉她。

她一口咬定没错，结果就是现在的样子。

胡须康

Evo 发表于 2025-7-4 10:33
被告如果招供说了这是她的动机，检方应该会按照manslaughter 的罪名起诉她。

她一口咬定没错，结果就是 ...

自己肯定不會認
如果庭審能證明她的動機是害人是不是比證明她想殺人容易點

Evo

胡须康 发表于 2025-7-4 10:44
自己肯定不會認
如果庭審能證明她的動機是害人是不是比證明她想殺人容易點 ...

没有太大区别

android

这事儿为啥这么轰动？是会影响判例 还是媒体吃人血馒头？

SUORINA

android 发表于 2025-7-4 10:59
这事儿为啥这么轰动？是会影响判例 还是媒体吃人血馒头？

我在跟进澳广的podcast，而且每集podcast最后有听众问答，听众来自世界各地，而且问的也非常仔细。我只捡了重点的听，庭审的细节很无聊。我觉得吸引这么多关注，首先它是个投毒事件（投毒的关注度都很高，因为有神秘度），其次三死一伤（伤的这个还换了肝），第三投毒者是个很平常的中年妇女。第四大家都想知道投毒原因（这里牵扯着很多家庭纠纷），第五这个事件差点儿就是完美的谋杀。

Evo

SUORINA 发表于 2025-7-4 13:50
我在跟进澳广的podcast，而且每集podcast最后有听众问答，听众来自世界各地，而且问的也非常仔细。我只捡 ...

马脚太多，远非完美谋杀。

悉尼吹雪

pikemanz 发表于 2025-7-3 17:11
说过一次谎，说别的也不会被相信了

这是常识，但不是法律。从法律上来说，就算她说了99句谎话，你也得相信她的第100句话，除非你找到证据证明第100句话也是谎话。疑罪从无是法制基本原则。

Evo

悉尼吹雪 发表于 2025-7-4 22:44
这是常识，但不是法律。从法律上来说，就算她说了99句谎话，你也得相信她的第100句话，除非你找到证据证 ...

你说的是绝对理想的情况，就是法庭有能力分辨每一句话的真假。

法庭上另外一个要考虑的法理问题，就是witness credibility问题。

如果一个证人撒谎了那么多次，他/她的证词是否应当被当作”证词“，这是陪审团需要明白的问题。

Dualis

SUORINA 发表于 2025-7-4 13:50
我在跟进澳广的podcast，而且每集podcast最后有听众问答，听众来自世界各地，而且问的也非常仔细。我只捡 ...

不是神秘度，是极度的社会危害。哪个反人类的受到启发，去餐饮业，学校等公众场所投个毒后果不堪设想。这女人就是个引领犯罪潮流的毒妇。

SUORINA

结果出了，全部有罪