从经济角度讲,是不是读7年医学院不如读自费的4年bond

waterjuice

chensam1022 发表于 2020-1-13 11:52
不过100%的都是公立医学院没拿到offer才去的bond

公立医学院有自费的 不过它们都是 POST Graduate

Macquarie university
Melbourne University

XIAYAN66

chensam1022 发表于 2020-1-13 11:52
不过100%的都是公立医学院没拿到offer才去的bond

+1

waterjuice

XIAYAN66 发表于 2020-1-13 11:56
+1

公立医学院没有拿到有种种因素。

Yongfang

贵族医学院

chensam1022

个人经验及观点，能本州尽量本州，学制能短则短，医学院能上都是好样的，（当然其他专业也是好样的）。大学有一流大学二流大学之分。但医学院没太多区别，毕业后谁也不全去管你哪个大学。千万不要道听途说。很多人都是想当然

Purplelight

chensam1022 发表于 2020-1-13 12:35
个人经验及观点，能本州尽量本州，学制能短则短，医学院能上都是好样的，（当然其他专业也是好样的）。大学 ...

说是这么说，但真没听说放弃UNSW和Usyd 去West Sydney的

你见过吗？

mzbzd

chensam1022 发表于 2020-1-13 12:35
个人经验及观点，能本州尽量本州，学制能短则短，医学院能上都是好样的，（当然其他专业也是好样的）。大学 ...

也不一定吧。将来要读个specialist啥的，据说只有30%录取率，这时候就会考量出身的医学院/本还是硕了吧？

mzbzd

Purplelight 发表于 2020-1-13 09:57
从经济角度讲，西悉尼和JMP 最“合算”
但你看看有几个把五年西悉尼放在七年悉尼大学之上的？

西悉尼和JMP相比的话，哪所医学院会好些呢？

chensam1022

Purplelight 发表于 2020-1-13 12:38
说是这么说，但真没听说放弃UNSW和Usyd 去West Sydney的

你见过吗？

这点自然，能上usyd戎unsw，你也不可能会去WSU

Purplelight

mzbzd 发表于 2020-1-13 12:41
西悉尼和JMP相比的话，哪所医学院会好些呢？

师资和教学JMP稍强；但西悉尼占地理优势很多孩子还是优先西悉尼(虽远但毕竟还是悉尼，而且有的课可以在网上看学校课堂录像不用天天去).

chensam1022

mzbzd 发表于 2020-1-13 12:41
西悉尼和JMP相比的话，哪所医学院会好些呢？

都差不多，但WSU5年医学院都是hospital based的，所以现在很多医生都反映西悉尼大学的动手能力及工作能力比其他医学院的都强

jinluo

From Medstudentsonline

Here is my generalised rank list of medical degrees in order of which you should take them, assuming that you are a year 12 school leaver with no tertiary record (i.e. make a list of your current offers then start eliminating them based on this list until you have one choice left. Remember this list is preferred so you cross out the ones that AREN'T the description, starting at #1)
(your list may be different depending on the above considerations)

1. Whatever degree isn't full-fee paying (FFP)
2. Whatever degree isn't provisional or non-guaranteed
3. Whatever is the shortest degree in the city you already live in
4. Whatever degree isn't bonded (BMP)
5. Whatever is the shortest degree outside the city you already live in
6. Whatever is the degree in the state you want to practice in
7. Whatever degree happens to have offered you a scholarship
8. Monash University
9. University of Tasmania (NOT the guaranteed B.Med Res pathway — this pathway no longer exists for new applicants)
10-11.University of Newcastle/University of New England (supposedly there is equal possibility for clinical placements for both I am told)
12. University of Western Sydney
13. Curtin University
14. University of New South Wales
15. University of Adelaide
16. James Cook University
17. University of Western Australia provisional (6 years)
18. Flinders provisional (6 years)
19. Griffith provisional (6 years - NOT including the University of the Sunshine Coast 7 year pathway)
20. La Trobe University/Melbourne University provisional (guaranteed pathway for regional students only) - Bachelor of Biomedical Science (Medical), Courses and degrees, La Trobe University
21. University of Sydney provisional
22. University of Queensland provisional
23. University of the Sunshine Coast/Griffith provisional (7 years)
24. University of Tasmania B. Med Res guaranteed pathway (8 years!)
25. University of Melbourne Chancellor's Pathway (because it's not guaranteed)
26. uh, Bond University ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$)

chensam1022

jinluo 发表于 2020-1-13 12:56
From Medstudentsonline

Here is my generalised rank list of medical degrees in order of which you sh ...

jinluo

Similarly, here is a general list for those with a completed degree who are also applying through the GAMSAT pathway:

1. Whatever degree isn't full-fee paying (FFP)
2. Whatever degree isn't provisional or non-guaranteed (not that this is an option for graduates)
3. Whatever is the shortest degree in the city you already live in
4. Whatever degree isn't bonded (BMP)
5. Whatever is the shortest degree outside the city you already live in
6. Whatever is the degree in the state you want to practice in
7. Whatever degree happens to have offered you a scholarship
8. University of Melbourne (4 year grad) (because of the earlier clinical placements)
9. University of New South Wales Lateral Entry (i.e. direct entry to year 3 if you are already B. Med Sci graduate from UNSW - note I don't recommend this pathway for year 12s)
10-12 (aeq): University of Sydney (4 year grad)/University of Western Australia (4 year grad)/University of Queensland (4 year grad)
13. Australian National University (4 year grad)
14. Monash University (4 year grad)
15. Flinders University (4 year grad)
16-20 (aeq). Griffith/Wollongong/UNDS/UNDF/Deakin
21. University of Tasmania (if you happen to be a UTas B. Med Res graduate - again I don't recommend this for year 12s)
22-23. University of Newcastle/New England
24. University of Western Sydney
25. Curtin University
26. University of New South Wales non-lateral entry
27. University of Adelaide (there is a rural pathway that grads can use if rural)
28. James Cook University
29. uh, Macquarie University ($$$$$$ and the fact it's new and the fact that it couldn't get enough Australian clinical placements so it has to send its students to India... ಠ_ಠ wat)
30. uh, Bond University ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$)

ninacai

分数够资质够才是硬道理
钱其次

chensam1022

mzbzd 发表于 2020-1-13 12:39
也不一定吧。将来要读个specialist啥的，据说只有30%录取率，这时候就会考量出身的医学院/本还是硕了吧？ ...

医院里没人考量这个，关键还是你的工作能力及跟老板的关系，

jinluo

By request here is a similar list of Australian dental schools for a year 12. Note that there is no internship requirement for dental graduates so the state you graduate doesn't determine the state you work in once you do. All the undergrad dentistry is 5 years also, so less need to worry about duration (provisional of course is longer.)

1. Whatever is the most CSP (basically - CSP is better than CSP + FFP like Griffith which is better than completely FFP)... other than provisional courses - more on this soon
2. Whatever is in your current city if applicable
3. Whichever is not provisional/non-guaranteed (UMelb/USyd/UWA are provisional)
4. University of Queensland
5. University of Adelaide
6. Charles Sturt University
7. La Trobe University
8. James Cook University
9. Griffith University
10. University of Sydney provisional
11. University of Melbourne provisional
12. University of Western Australia

The reason I have placed Griffith over the provisional courses is because 5 years of fees there comes out to around 150k and then you get two years of dental salary (around 80k/yr - you'd already have almost broken even after tax) whereas 7 years of fees at a provisional pathway comes out to roughly 80k in debt and no full time income yet.

mzbzd

chensam1022 发表于 2020-1-13 13:01
医院里没人考量这个，关键还是你的工作能力及跟老板的关系，

你确定吗？毕竟只有30%的录取率，要全面考量一个人是否能入选specialist不排除这个项目吧？

mzbzd

chensam1022 发表于 2020-1-13 12:50
都差不多，但WSU5年医学院都是hospital based的，所以现在很多医生都反映西悉尼大学的动手能力及工作能力 ...

那填志愿的时候就把西悉尼放在JMP的前面

mzbzd

悉尼的话学医第1至第4顺序分别为 1. university of Sydney 2. University of New South Wales 3. Western Sydney University 4. Joint Medical Program，最后一个填什么呢？

chensam1022

mzbzd 发表于 2020-1-13 13:12
悉尼的话学医第1至第4顺序分别为 1. university of Sydney 2. University of New South Wales 3. Western S ...

爱填啥填啥，不填也行，只要你有把握肯定能上医学院

Purplelight

mzbzd 发表于 2020-1-13 13:12
悉尼的话学医第1至第4顺序分别为 1. university of Sydney 2. University of New South Wales 3. Western S ...

今年没有UQ无面试保底了

留一个万一上不了医科的保底项目；具体没有标准答案，宜结合孩子意愿和自家孩子商讨(其实你这四个排名也应该和孩子商讨)

chensam1022

mzbzd 发表于 2020-1-13 13:12
悉尼的话学医第1至第4顺序分别为 1. university of Sydney 2. University of New South Wales 3. Western S ...

只能告诉你每年都有99.95的最后没有上成医学院而只能去外州读的

he275

有没有统计数据，能看看高中毕业生直升悉尼大学医科的，毕业后的职业分布情况？

Yongfang

he275 发表于 2020-1-13 13:36
有没有统计数据，能看看高中毕业生直升悉尼大学医科的，毕业后的职业分布情况？ ...

昆士兰我知道很多皮肤科和骨科专家

Yongfang

chensam1022 发表于 2020-1-13 11:27
选什么专业是看你能力以及和在医院里做internship和RMO打下的人际关系。跟什么医学院没关系。早毕业出来 ...

还真有99.95 的弃西悉尼去了昆大读七年的。人各有志。

chensam1022

Yongfang 发表于 2020-1-13 15:24
还真有99.95 的弃西悉尼去了昆大读七年的。人各有志。

佩服

chensam1022

Yongfang 发表于 2020-1-13 15:24
还真有99.95 的弃西悉尼去了昆大读七年的。人各有志。

佩服

lala321

chensam1022 发表于 2020-1-13 13:01
医院里没人考量这个，关键还是你的工作能力及跟老板的关系，

工作能力以及人脉本身，就和你从哪个医学院毕业有直接关系，老牌学校前辈及校友的关系不容忽视啊。

chensam1022

lala321 发表于 2020-1-14 15:43
工作能力以及人脉本身，就和你从哪个医学院毕业有直接关系，老牌学校前辈及校友的关系不容忽视啊。 ...

都是想当然，没人鸟校友前辈关系，私人关系更重要