学校小提琴课和校外小提琴课的选择

rebeccamy222

taow 发表于 2015-11-13 09:45
Some school offers 1 to 1 session on site. But again normally the teachers are not highly qualifie ...

请问你孩子原来有基础吗？

taow

rebeccamy222 发表于 2015-11-16 09:42
请问你孩子原来有基础吗？

He started at five from scratch. When he started school this year, He had been learning for 6 months. The music teacher initially was reluctant to let him join but agreed to allow him for a trial session. He did reasonably well so he is allowed to play since. He is the youngest ever in that band since it was established over 10 years ago.

He is playing grade 3 now so I think the stuff they play in the band is very easy technically for him. But  the purpose is more for the experience of ensemble performance.

rebeccamy222

taow 发表于 2015-11-16 10:09
He started at five from scratch. When he started school this year, He had been learning for 6 mont ...

请问这个scratch 跟谁学呢？你孩子有钢琴基础么？我家小朋友什么都没学过，可以直接从小提琴开始吗？

taow

rebeccamy222 发表于 2015-11-16 11:01
请问这个scratch 跟谁学呢？你孩子有钢琴基础么？我家小朋友什么都没学过，可以直接从小提琴开始吗？ ...

He did not play piano when he started. He is not playing either now.

I choose to violin is mainly because I thought it is a lot cheaper to buy one and a very small instrument in size compared to piano. I may be wrong as it can be expensive. The one he is playing is not much cheaper than a piano!

I don't really know if it is really necessary to play piano to start with. The benefit can be about the accuracy of the pitches. But it does not seem to be a problem for him.

In terms of the teacher, you can search on musicteacher.com.au to see if any close to you. You should try the teacher. The connection between teacher and student is important, especially for young kid. Also the qualification and experience of the teacher is important, especially you have some serious expectation on your kid. You should make sure the start is a right start, regardless the pace of progress.

Christy_BJ

taow 发表于 2015-11-16 11:17
He did not play piano when he started. He is not playing either now.

I choose to violin is mainl ...

好的小提琴都是手工的，可比钢琴贵多了

虽然一般小提琴不贵，可是稍微音色好些的，要在乐队拉一提，琴一定不能太差。

taow

Christy_BJ 发表于 2015-11-17 17:10
好的小提琴都是手工的，可比钢琴贵多了

虽然一般小提琴不贵，可是稍微音色好些的，要在乐队拉一提，琴一 ...

True. The teacher uses a bow worth more than a piano. My son is only on a quarter size, already not cheap.

Christy_BJ

taow 发表于 2015-11-17 19:46
True. The teacher uses a bow worth more than a piano. My son is only on a quarter size, already no ...

一分钱一分货

我还记得儿子小时候去演出，用的是正儿八经Steinway concert grand piano,虽然那时候他技巧还一般，弹出来的声音多么美妙呀

古董小提琴更是无价之宝。虽说学无止境，钱也烧的无止境

taow

Christy_BJ 发表于 2015-11-17 21:32
一分钱一分货

我还记得儿子小时候去演出，用的是正儿八经Steinway concert grand piano,虽然那时候他技 ...

You are dead right. A layman can tell the difference between a Steinway and others. A Steinway is over 200k. Learning music is a long way, but also expensive as you said.

OCV

没听说校内的老师会管，但是两个老师同时教，是不大好，难道一个老师假期教2个月，开学又跟另一个老师学吗？要选定一个老师学下去。一般都是校外学，然后参加学校乐队，校内老师收钱吗？有考级吗？考一级花多少时间？考试成绩怎么样？还有家长的预期是什么？如果只是随便学学，那里便宜去那里。如果考级的话，就要考虑以上几个问题，好的老师很重要，因为花了同样的时间练习学习。

御道街

My daughter learn violin outside her school.Last week i went to attend the school string concert with her.i want to say the level is extremly low.So if you want to train your child,don't join them ,if you just make your child fun or make more friends you can keep going.

nba2007

御道街 发表于 2015-12-11 18:35
My daughter learn violin outside her school.Last week i went to attend the school string concert wit ...

参加乐队是一种体验，不会指望在乐队学出本事的。弦乐本来就是小组活动。你可以在外面跟老师学本事。不让孩子参加乐队，那还学什么乐器。敝帚自珍

taow

nba2007 发表于 2015-12-12 09:20
参加乐队是一种体验，不会指望在乐队学出本事的。弦乐本来就是小组活动。你可以在外面跟老师学本事。不让 ...

It really depends on the playing level of the kid and the school band. I let my son play with the school band when he started school this year. It was good to have a feel of the group play. However the band does not have the right combination of instruments. Stringed instruments  are difficult to play thus the number of kids playing is very small. They thus are playing a kind supplementary stuff. He started to complain after term 3 as he plays more advanced with his teacher. I discussed with his teacher and I am sending him to play band outside school next year. The teacher's view is the kid needs to play with others of similar level. And a string band is a better choice.

Gina

nba2007 发表于 2015-12-12 09:20
参加乐队是一种体验，不会指望在乐队学出本事的。弦乐本来就是小组活动。你可以在外面跟老师学本事。不让 ...

和我老公观点相似。 呵呵。

Gina

更新下，
我们暂时停了校外老师的课。觉定跟学校的老师再学一年。
学校老师的意见是， 她可以加快进度， 我女儿应该可以一年学完学校的普通的小提琴课程。 当然， 她已经学了一年了。
之后学校的老师也欢迎她加入学校乐队， 同时在外面找老师提高。

总结， 我其实应该随时和学校老师沟通， 是我疏忽了。 以后注意。

Gina

御道街 发表于 2015-12-11 18:35
My daughter learn violin outside her school.Last week i went to attend the school string concert wit ...

是的。
最终还是要在外面学。

随心怀喜14

我们学校也要求学生只能在校外或是校内二选一学习乐器，不能两边同时学。很多老师都不喜欢两边学的学生。
但是无论校外还是校内学乐器的学生都可以参加学校乐团

Gina

taow 发表于 2015-12-12 10:24
It really depends on the playing level of the kid and the school band. I let my son play with the  ...

我女儿学校 ensemble 分组的， beginner, junior 和 更高的。 更高的那种忘记名字了。 呵呵。
所以同组的水平相差不是非常悬殊。
另外， 她自己水平也一般。 呵呵。

cosifan

小提琴是热门乐器，学的人多，相对高手也会比较多。 市立或者区立的少年交响乐队对小提琴手的要求会比较高。 SYO audition的入门标准好像是AMEB8级，如果哪一年竞争的人多，还要求至少是A。 小提琴对孩子来说是比较不容易学的乐器，要找专业的老师才能走的远一些。 看老师是否专业，首先看简历，如果你自己懂一点，也可以听听老师自己的演奏水平，她的repertoire, 是否有solo concert, 经常chamber 或乐队演出。 不过老实说公校小学音乐老师的水平一般都不能恭维。私校稍微好一点。 最好的老师当然还是学院派

Gina

cosifan 发表于 2015-12-12 21:05
小提琴是热门乐器，学的人多，相对高手也会比较多。 市立或者区立的少年交响乐队对小提琴手的要求会比较高 ...

学院派是指大学或者音乐学院的老师？
那种 concert pianolist 或者 violinist 呢？

cosifan

nba2007 发表于 2015-12-12 09:20
参加乐队是一种体验，不会指望在乐队学出本事的。弦乐本来就是小组活动。你可以在外面跟老师学本事。不让 ...

也是也不是。

小提琴可以加入乐队，也可以跟几个好友一起玩室内乐，更可以独奏。 不少小提琴的旷世名作都是无伴奏的solo piece.

玩乐队跟打网球有点像，如果大家的水平不太相称，相互都是折磨

cosifan

Gina 发表于 2015-12-12 21:07
学院派是指大学或者音乐学院的老师？
那种 concert pianolist 或者 violinist 呢？ ...

concert pianist/violinist 不靠教学吃饭，时间耐心有限，不太愿意收入门琴童，除非是自己的孩子

但如果有缘而且孩子的天赋比较高，能在比较早期的阶段有机会接受他们1对1的教导，会少走很多弯路，更快的进步。

Gina

cosifan 发表于 2015-12-12 21:14
concert pianist/violinist 不靠教学吃饭，时间耐心有限，不太愿意收入门琴童，除非是自己的孩子  

...

谢谢， 受教了。 没错，老师 耐心有限。 有体会。 呵呵。

金牛座的

cosifan 发表于 2015-12-12 21:05
小提琴是热门乐器，学的人多，相对高手也会比较多。 市立或者区立的少年交响乐队对小提琴手的要求会比较高 ...

SYO 里也是分很多级的，有适合不同水平孩子的乐团。