我对Sydney Grammar的看法

Della

原帖由 员外 于 2012-4-27 23:30 发表

楼主估计是考了小学的面试，可惜小学不给奖学金。

你说楼主会再去考一次中学部吗？

一切皆有可能。

zuozuo

我觉得中学的时候多学一点莎士比亚也挺好的，估计以后想学都没机会也没心思学了。反而那些实用科目很容易学的，没必要那么早学。中学时代在不影响大方向的前提下多几分理想主义和浪漫主义色彩更好。

天眼

因人而异吧。
有的小孩喜欢文学艺术，那这样的小孩去SG可能比较合适。

员外

原帖由 天眼 于 2012-4-27 23:29 发表
首先，我们根本没有打算报SG，看过open day之后已经决定了。
其次，因为JR离家太远，也没打算去。
第三，有的私校看似很好，可以考虑去。
第四，就近去NSB是非常好的选择。
就是这样。

你把我们心目中第一位的SG的致命缺点暴露了出来，却又不肯跟大家分享这所＂有的＂私校到底是哪所。
足迹有多少家长会为此焦虑，伤心。因为不是每位家长的智商和分析能力都跟你一样高。考我们自己，可能永远都算不出这所学校来。

楼主我说句实话，你这样做是很不对的。

Della

原帖由 zuozuo 于 2012-4-27 23:36 发表
我觉得中学的时候多学一点莎士比亚也挺好的，估计以后想学都没机会也没心思学了。反而那些实用科目很容易学的，没必要那么早学。中学时代在不影响大方向的前提下多几分理想主义和浪漫主义色彩更好。

我就希望我儿子读读莎士比亚，比反复做题有意思吧。

至于“悔”从何来？LZ跟SG没啥关联，除了那次考试，研究得这么透彻，纠结于成绩的好坏，比来比去，所以我想是后悔当初拒绝了SG的OFFER。还是落入那句中国的俗语，大家明白的。

天眼

我们是半中间纯粹为了验证一下去考的，根本没有做任何准备，也更本就没打算进。
当时我都莫名其妙为什么要去考，家里那位就说去试一下没啥，搞得儿子还挺不高兴，少玩了半天时间。

Della

原帖由 员外 于 2012-4-27 23:42 发表


你把我们心目中第一位的SG的致命缺点暴露了出来，却又不肯跟大家分享这所＂有的＂私校到底是哪所。
足迹有多少家长会为此焦虑，伤心。因为不是每位家长的智商和分析能力都跟你一样高。考我们自己，可能永远都算不出这所学校来。

楼主我说句实话，你这样做是很不对的。

同感。看旋版，总结了几乎所有私校的信息，给大家分享。LZ反而那么保留，没人把你当sales, 给私校做广告。

天眼

你理解错了。
我们有个很近的朋友，他们家小孩在SG。他们一个劲鼓动我们也去那，鼓动很多年了。
可我们发现儿子的性格和爱好和这所学校的风格不符。我上面说了，那种喜欢文学或艺术的孩子去SG比较合适，可我们家的孩子似乎不是这个类型的。
我对SG没有什么研究，纯粹就事论事谈谈open day，单就academic说一下而已，没那么复杂。

天眼

如果您是真想上私校，找我是找错人了，我对私校有“成见”。
我看他们是带着有色眼镜的。
我建议您还是好好分析一下您的孩子吧，看看他或她到底是什么性格，哪种环境适合他再做决定吧。

[ 本帖最后由 天眼 于 2012-4-27 23:53 编辑 ]

frankielynna

原帖由 天眼 于 2012-4-27 23:47 发表
你理解错了。
我们有个很近的朋友，他们家小孩在SG。他们一个劲鼓动我们也去那，鼓动很多年了。
可我们发现儿子的性格和爱好和这所学校的风格不符。我上面说了，那种喜欢文学或艺术的孩子去SG比较合适，可我们家的孩子似乎不是这个类型的。
我对SG没有什么研究，纯粹就事论事谈谈open day，单就academic说一下而已，没那么复杂。

员外

都说了智商没你高，就那么几所私校，都分析过好多遍了也没个结论。你说的那所到底是哪所呢？

天眼

你也别那么激动。
很多事情不是像你想的那样。
钱不是唯一要考虑的因素。
SG重视文学和音乐，所以那种有艺术特长，特有文学“气质”的适合那里。
SG的academic成绩逐年下滑，我只是说出了这个事实罢了，这和我们要不要奖学金没有什么关系。

limit-2010

原文：http://community.boredofstudies.org/showthread.php?t=280776

部分回复如下：

[QUOTE=theind1996;5791488]
Scholarship, then Grammar. No scholarship, but if you can afford it, then still Grammar. If you can't, then Ruse.

Grammar offers a wide variety of co-curricular activities (http://www.sydgram.nsw.edu.au/co-curricular/), and while Ruse offers its fair share, for co-curricular, Grammar is unparalleled.

Ruse, by nature also has a strong maths-science student base, and if your brother is not really into maths-science, but rather history-english-social science, then go for Grammar. Since Ruse is a public school, it WILL have its fair share of crap teachers and facilities.

At Grammar he still WILL have peers with similar academic abilities and interests (Grammar is still fluctuating around TOP 10 in HSC rankings, so if he is a brilliant student, he can still excel.)

Grammar also offers a wider curriculum (http://www.sydgram.nsw.edu.au/Ge ... cademic/curriculum/) than Ruse, especially in the areas of Classical languages and social sciences (e.g Ruse doesn't offer Latin, Classical Greek, Business Studies, Legal Studies) and Ruse also has compulsory agriculture from Yrs 7-10. If your brother does want to socialise with girls, he can do that outside school anyways.

Grammar too has a relatively academic environment, as evidenced by their HSC results.

So don't take this as a Grammar-fanboy argument, but it's just my honest opinion. Good luck with your choices :)   
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limit-2010

[QUOTE=Demento1;5791827]This is the voice of a year 10 Sydney grammar student so I think it could be relevant for you.  Now, obviously Grammar is secular in nature and non-denominational.  Most of the people in my grade came from the primary campuses in Edgecliff and St Ives.  Bear in mind that they all got interviewed before getting accepted into Grammar.  For a few people like me, we enrol and do a test along with an interview to get admitted in.  Thus, it's relevant to say that everybody at grammar has some intellectual level.  T

The teachers in my opinion, have helped me A LOT.  When I say that, they helped me extend in music and science by offering things outside the curriculum which I am led to believe wouldn't have been offered in a public school (although I could be wrong).  The staff have helped me enjoy learning and the welfare system in the school helps a lot communication and socialisation wise.  Facilities in the school are better then you would think.  We quite recently constructed a new hall underground which fits the whole of the school.  The engineering and landscaping of the hall is actually quite astounding in my opinion.  Sport and extra curricular is diverse in a sense that you have many things to choose from.  Debating is a highlight at our school along with chess and fencing.  We have tonnes of clubs such as philosophy (enjoy it very much), film and robotics plus heaps more.  

Ultimately, YOU have to let the person decide whether they rather go to Ruse or Sydney Grammar. My views are a bit biased but I would recommend going to Grammar because it is an experience you'll never forget.  I thoroughly enjoy my time currently at the school.  Participation is key in getting the most out of Grammar.  However, I'm not saying it is in any way better then Ruse.  Money and travel are huge factors to consider.   

Think to yourself, are you willing to pay approximately $27000 a year at a private school?  Are you willing to travel to the city and pay extra expenses.  If you have a scholarship (rare chances), then I would definitely tell you not to give up that scholarship for ruse.  You have to assess how much you're willing to pay.  If it's zero, then please go to James Ruse.  Also, if you're just thinking of getting a 99.95 hsc atar in year 12, please don't go to Grammar and waste your money.  I know a lot of people that do hsc purely to get marks and advance in their career.  Grammar doesn't accommodate for that sort of response.[/QUOTE]

员外

原帖由 天眼 于 2012-4-27 23:51 发表
如果您是真想上私校，找我是找错人了，我对私校有“成见”。
我看他们是带着有色眼镜的。
我建议您还是好好分析一下您的孩子吧，看看他或她到底是什么性格，哪种环境适合他再做决定吧。

那你有关于SG的言论，我们还能当真吗？

limit-2010

[QUOTE=Infatuate;5796916]Edit: I've just re-read what I've written... lol- pretty biased stuff right there (even though it's true). in all seriousness, if i was in your position i'd send my sibling to grammar. he has secured a scholarship- he has pretty much guaranteed himself an all-rounded schooling experience (assuming he makes the most of it). just make sure he does his best regardless of the poor efforts of those around him. :)
totally contradicting myself

I'd go to Ruse.
Admittedly the facilities there are pretty average (there are a few awesome teachers there that go out of their way to help the students, though), but the amount of competition there makes up for it! Ruse isn't really as nerdy as it's stereotyped to be- sure, there are a few super nerds there (in most grades, the kids at the top are amazing at their subjects)... but which good selective/private school doesn't?
The students there are all unbelievably nice; they all support one another, and hence, the atmosphere there is really relaxed (however in senior years, exam time is hectic!). You wouldn't find a nicer school elsewhere, that's for sure.
Oh, and the chess team is pretty awesome! There are quite a few superb chess players there, and the top-end debaters are really good. And you wouldn't believe how musical the school is :) (heh, they put on spectacular musicals/ music performances).

However, if you're positive that your brother will thrive in a school with top-notch facilities (as opposed to endless support and friendly competition), then you would probably be better off with grammar.[/QUOTE]

limit-2010

[QUOTE=m.jakaran;5792494]Being an impartial Sydney Boys graduate, I can say that Grammar shits on Ruse if you're motivated to make the most of it. Obviously Ruse has the harder working average student which fosters a more competitive environment, but imho the students in the top 10 at Grammar are the best in the state. In addition, the type of students which Grammar churns out not only get high ATARs but are also very rounded.[/QUOTE]

limit-2010

[QUOTE=RazorEdge;5793139]Grammar scholarships are difficult to get into, whilst Ruse is somewhat easier to get into based on the concept of a "full scholarship" from Sydney Grammar. As a result, most of the students in Sydney Grammar come from a family who are rather wealthy, and yes, they do an entrance examination and interview before being accepted.

Based on academia, James Ruse comes first every year, for the past sixteen years, but that's due to selective examinations, but its also true that Sydney Grammar selects who they want into their school. This debate is sort of like comparing a public school to a private school - whose facilities are better? whose teachers are better? It's obvious its Sydney Grammar, but remember, not everyone is wealthy enough to pay for the school, so James Ruse is for that.

And as for how successful people are in life, you cannot generalise James Ruse students and Sydney Grammar students. The success of one person in later life is purely dependent on the individual, not the institution which they went to, though, it can largely influence ones choice.[/QUOTE]

天眼

说得很清楚了，非常感谢！

天眼

我只是讲了自己的观点，我无法也不可能替你思考。
你的情况只有你自己最清楚，对不对？
取决于个人的需要。

shurman

BRISBANE的路过围观, 好热闹啊,   大家加油讨论吧
在BRISBANE就没有那么选择了,  家长也不那么纠结了.
BRISABNE的精英学校只有一个, (数理, 医学,文艺 各占一个分校) 从十年级才有. 能让大家看得上眼的公校也只有一个BRISABE STATE HIGH SCHOOL. 考的好的基本都是私校.

yoyo8888

原帖由 天眼 于 2012-4-27 22:54 发表
我的观点就是挑个离家近的精英学校就行了，以后和朱班长的女儿做个邻居，没准来个“姐弟恋”啥的。。。

看来看去，觉得楼主现在是内外交困了，其实跟我LG一个想法，什么私校啊这那的，挑个方便的精英就行了。楼主为了坚持自己的意见，就得拼命地找出各种反驳LD的理由。
我儿子是没本事，有本事拿奖学金，啥都不纠结，立马送去，至少也能学学莎士比亚，将来也能有点文化。拿不到奖学金能考进个精英也偷着乐了。看来孩子越牛，选择范围越多，家长就越纠结啊。忽然觉得笨娃爹娘也有快乐啊。

patrickzhu

看完电影回来了，挺一下天眼兄的认真发言保持风度的态度，希望你顶住，说出你的观点，讲个痛快，墙贴呀。

frankielynna

原帖由 天眼 于 2012-4-27 23:57 发表
你也别那么激动。
很多事情不是像你想的那样。
钱不是唯一要考虑的因素。
SG重视文学和音乐，所以那种有艺术特长，特有文学“气质”的适合那里。
SG的academic成绩逐年下滑，我只是说出了这个事实罢了，这和我们要不要奖学金没有什么关系。

我都说握打酱油的，我激动啥啊。我哪里和您提过钱啊，都是你提的啊，别心虚啊，你评论sg的底气哪去了？
你看看我加黑的字，再看不明白，我也无语，对不上点啊。

员外

原帖由 天眼 于 2012-4-28 00:16 发表
我只是讲了自己的观点，我无法也不可能替你思考。
你的情况只有你自己最清楚，对不对？
取决于个人的需要。

别再来这套答记者问了。不说就不说，你藏着掖着好了，我们大不了去补习呗。

yoyo8888

原帖由 员外 于 2012-4-28 00:28 发表

别再来这套答记者问了。不说就不说，你藏着掖着好了，我们大不了去补习呗。

楼主就招了吧，让大家也省点儿补习费。呵呵。(monkey22)

leobaby

楼主只不过说说自己的观点，大家展开讨论本来是很好的事情。但感觉有的同学咄咄逼人好像非要致楼主于“死地”的态度让人不舒服。说实在的，楼主在本帖里表现的胸怀坦荡，虚怀若谷，换成是我，早就灰溜溜跑掉了。就这一点，我也佩服楼主的。

员外

原帖由 leobaby 于 2012-4-28 08:14 发表
楼主只不过说说自己的观点，大家展开讨论本来是很好的事情。但感觉有的同学咄咄逼人好像非要致楼主于“死地”的态度让人不舒服。说实在的，楼主在本帖里表现的胸怀坦荡，虚怀若谷，换成是我，早就灰溜溜跑掉了。就这一点，我也佩服楼主的。

该讨论前几页都讨论够了，观点的表达是建立在尊重的基础上的。否则不讨论也罢。我们也是彷徨是否该送私校，也有疑虑。但即便再怀疑，也不至于说出SG误人子弟这样的话来。这是基本的尊重，不是吗？不管是尊重不同的价值选择，还是尊重论坛里送孩子去SG的其他家长，还是尊重SG作为一所学校的存在。如果莎士比亚不能代表文化，那懂得尊重能代表文化吧？

这位leobaby爱扣帽子啊，你说的是我吗？至之死地形容我是不对的，如果我＂至楼主于死地了＂，那我得跟楼主道个歉。我跟楼主一样，都望子成龙嘛。我就是好奇楼主带着有色眼镜表达他对私校的成见（这都是楼主原话），这背后是什么样的心理。不过你用这个胸怀坦荡来形容楼主，合适吗？

Della

LZ确实挺淡定的，这个我佩服。但是个人认为如果自己孩子不打算去私校，完全没必要把私校学莎翁的作品说成没什么用这类的话。我想很多中国人还是喜欢鲁迅的作品的，莎士比亚作品作为英国语言文学学习过程中必修的内容，个人认为很应该。莎翁作品改编的电影，我想足迹里很多人也都看过，很经典。LZ不喜欢不感兴趣，完全是你对文学不感兴趣。据我参观的结果看，学莎士比亚的不是只SG一家。每个家长对孩子的教育有自己的一套，不必标准化。LS们也淡定。公校私校没有任何可比性，经济是最主要的考虑因素，如果没有这个因素，我相信没有公私校好坏的讨论。

Della

在这里，我建议想去私校的父母们，都别道听途说，自己亲自去看，去体验，一次不行，两次、多次，学校Open Day,school tour时间很多，也比较灵活，多看几所学校。同时，拿不定主意上私校和精英的，两边都去看看，只有多了解，才能做出对自己家庭最适合的选择