请教工资问题～～

寂寥

我想请问一下大家， 如果是cpa qualify 外加4年工作经验。在悉尼应该是多少工资？

寂寥

继续。。。现在在NSW 附近的一个小城市上班。今年6月刚cpa qualify. 同时在6月performance review的时候提出internal transfer到sydney的分公司去。 刚刚一周前approve了。 今天拿到contract。 结果工资问题让我大失所望... 涨了4000。 比我所期望的低很多。  而且涨完之后才5万多。 郁闷死了。。涨了4000还不够我多出来的花费呢～

Murphy

NSW 附近的一个小城市
这个表述……
广大的QLD,VIC等临界洲表示很有压力。

Lucifer

建议你接受这个工作，到了悉尼后骑驴找马，机会大很多。

寂寥

接受是肯定接受。 但就是工资问题准备明天跟HR谈一下。 估计没什么戏

vivi0204

嗯，稍微低了点，6到7万应该要的

tina-go

4年的工作经验是做哪类的呢
如果是有FA的经验了，那就来悉尼，找个80k,90k的吧。

寂寥

在一家很大的accounting firm做accountant. 不是4大也是前10位的。
平时的工作也就是Preparation of annual accounts and financial reports, year-end adjustments and other associated working papers for the financial statements and tax returns for small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) in regional across a wide range of industries & BAS etc.
现在是relocate到syd的office.

tina-go

the market salary of your job in sydney can be paid at least $80k+super, and up to 120k+super if you are lucky enough to be offered a senior FA role.

purplenight

So you are working for a firm. I assume four year's experience made you intermediate or light senior? But your CPA qualificiation won't help much since top 10 firms are all CA firms.

If your client's turn over is less than $20 mil, personally I think the market rate in sydney is around 45 to 55k for intermediate and 55-65k for light senior.

purplenight

Maybe you would be better off job hunting for a commercial role.

The lesson I learned: for ppl in public practice, the best time to jump to commercial is while at intermediate level and almost CA/CPA qualified. The longer you stay in the practice, the more difficult to jump out.

sofiwy

The longer you stay in the practice, the more difficult to jump out.   ??   (monkey08) ...............why.....(monkey09) thx heaps

sofiwy

原帖由 tina-go 于 2011-8-10 12:24 发表
the market salary of your job in sydney can be paid at least $80k+super, and up to 120k+super if you are lucky enough to be offered a senior FA role.

to get my head clear : 4yrs tax acc (CPA) could reach $80k+ ~??~?~~?~?(monkey04)

purplenight

原帖由 sofiwy 于 2011-8-10 12:59 发表
The longer you stay in the practice, the more difficult to jump out.   ??   (monkey08) ...............why.....(monkey09) thx heaps

Because in those years, you will be improving skills which are not much needed for commercial side of things, ie, using more and more softwares designed for public practices, building client relationship, doing internal management for your practice (which is totally different from a commercial company), doing compliance reporting from start to finish, tax effective accounting, transfer pricing, those big picture stuff. While in commercial, ppl are more into details. How to reconcile this account, that cost. What might cause figures out of balance. How to amend their daily procedures to make it more cost effective and efficient. And their commercial software with costing section and everything else is much more complicated than ours. The commercial role is heavily related to their software, which we don't know how to use. Plus, they have internal management reports and budgeting things that public practice ppl normally don't get involved with.

And the longer you stay in practice, the higher your salary becomes. Once you reach 80k, 90k, it's very difficult to jump to a normal commercial role. Why they want to hire you at 90K + when you don't know much more than an intermediate, from their point of views?

But if you are specialised in an area or industry, that might be different. If most of your clients are in certain industry, for example, mining, and your clients are big ones. You might be able to find a commercial role in mining easily. Or if you specialise in tax side of things, you might jump to the tax division in a commercial company. But keep in mind, only big compaines have a separate tax department.

[ 本帖最后由 purplenight 于 2011-8-10 14:07 编辑 ]

kaixin123

我就是被楼上从FIRM忽悠到COMMERCIAL的，HAHA.......
开玩笑啦。。职业发展有些大方向要把握，这个时候，过来人的经验很重要

谢谢楼上奉献~(paopaobing(64))

vincecheng

Was reading a coverage from Financial Review this Mon which talks about the most recently promoted partner in Big 4 and 2nd tier. One of the partners, aged 30 from BDO if my memory is correct, says the most important thing passed from her mentor is stay focus, not to switch to high paid commercial sector. This lady has been working in BDO since she was in high school. The exp from this lady represents most of the successful stories for these partners.

Stay focus.

I am thinking about to find a new job very shortly. Hahaha.

tina-go

原帖由 sofiwy 于 2011-8-10 13:03 发表


to get my head clear : 4yrs tax acc (CPA) could reach $80k+ ~??~?~~?~?(monkey04)

Well, if you are a cpa with 4 years FA experience in top 10 firms, i believe you can still get another similar job in Sydney at $80k+super.

But if your 4 years experience is within AR/AP scope, i dont think $80k is realistic, not even $70k,$60k regardless your qualification ie cpa ca....

CPA does not count,but combine with your 4 years FA expereince in a big name company, you can sell yourself at a very good price.

tigerandgolf

骑驴找马呀。 关键看你做什么的职位而且还有title的。

tina-go

原帖由 tigerandgolf 于 2011-8-10 18:18 发表
骑驴找马呀。 关键看你做什么的职位而且还有title的。

鱼羊鲜

(paopaobing(3))  可以再谈谈

tina-go

楼主，你在firm里做FA，也可以在sydney的大firm里继续做你的FA啊
不过你干嘛不在firm里面做auditing那堆活啊？那么大的firm，该有机会内部调动调动吧

佳音妈

留这看

ivyqi

看能力，面试能力，工作能力，管理能力……
朋友一： 07年开始工作，MQ Master with HD results, completion of CPA
        Yr 11 contractor-AP with 50k

朋友二： 07年开始工作，MQ bachelor with all 1st pass results, completion of CPA
        Yr11 senior accountant with 90k
So it really depends ... ...

tina-go

我再给你加个朋友三，她是我的朋友，中国女孩子。
07年开始工作，其他学校的master, pass啊，credit这种档次，现在是group finance manager,收入12，3w

nicholasjunwu

工作这个东西运气成分也占了很多因素

tina-go

是的呀，我的“朋友三”，第一份工作就是FA了，朋友介绍的。。
做了几年FA,title成了finance manager，然后5年后的今天一跳，cpa也考下来了，跳到一个大的group, group finance manager，就是13w了

nicholasjunwu

有句话叫“人比人，气死人”，工作这个东西，自己满意就好，心态也要好，不要到处比较

purplenight

FIRM里哪有FA啊，做的东西还是很不同的。

tina-go

楼上有位同学说的对，不能比的，我要是天天和我的“朋友三”比，我不要和她做朋友啦，呵呵，我认识她一天，我就郁闷一天，我死去算啦。

事实上，我从她身上学到很多精神，努力工作。比不比的，我知道，人和人不同的，命运也不同，根本没有可比性。

sofiwy

原帖由 purplenight 于 2011-8-10 22:41 发表
FIRM里哪有FA啊，做的东西还是很不同的。

ditto
应该 tax accountant ，平时做tax planning/return, fin reporting, super etc  ,那这样4年是不是就是intermediate /senior role  ??如果jump into commerical，(monkey1) 不会要重junior 做起把 - - 因为，就像你说的，firm 里做的normally not from scratch。。say bank recon 我就从来米又要求做过，cost acc更是很少接触了。 转BA的话，是不是easy好多内？

on a separate issue,大家认为size of firm会affect换工作么？or clients turnover will do the matter ?