即将影响各位钓友的重大事件

fundingo

事情简介：

新州政府在纽卡斯尔–悉尼–伍龙岗地区提议建立一个新的海洋公园，以保护海洋生物多样性并增进社区的社会、文化和经济利益。
提议的海洋公园在讨论文件中进行了说明，该文件概述了如何在霍克斯伯里陆架（Hawkesbury Shelf）海洋生物区内管理对海洋环境和社区利益的头等威胁。
提议的海洋公园由25个地点组成，包括10个现有水生保护区、14个新地点及增加Bouddi国家公园海洋延伸部分。

重大影响：这样将导致许多大家熟悉的地方将不可以钓鱼，具体请参考网站：

1，https://www.marine.nsw.gov.au/ke ... f-marine-assessment

2，https://www.marine.nsw.gov.au/__ ... nese-Simplified.pdf

3，请大家加入到Facebook社团：STOP THE LOCKOUT!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ ... 6S&__tn__=-UC-R

4，重要，填写反对意见，该反馈意见将在27 September 2018时结束：https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/HawkesburyDP

5，补充一个链接，可以直接看到那些地方不可以钓鱼（其中紫色地方为禁捕区，蓝色和绿色受到影响区，地图可以放大）：https://trade.maps.arcgis.com/ap ... ab8a904a41e88aae035

xtravagant

我簡略地讀了有關新規劃既建議。如果落實以後真是好多釣點不可以釣了。我也都好奇政府出發點怎麼特然間改變這麼大，這些釣點很多年都沒有改，偏偏在磯釣最興起的時候提出這項建議。我在想是不是我們釣魚人有時後真的釣得太多？自從有磯釣之後，已經不是一天釣幾條咁這麼簡單，而是十幾二十條的去釣，而且是一波波的去。可能真會對生態或多或少有影響⋯⋯我會發出反對既聲音，但也都明白新規劃或許對環境有點好處。

如果真的封了釣場唯有釣多點內灣囉。要釣黑毛就開遠少少囉。

dlcat

xtravagant 发表于 2018-8-20 21:46
我略略咁讀左有關新規劃既建議。真係好多釣點第時都唔可以釣。我也都好奇政府出發點怎麼特然間改變這麼大， ...

你觉得在这里说粤语合适么？

xtravagant

dlcat 发表于 2018-8-20 21:54
你觉得在这里说粤语合适么？

我跟朋友在wechat聊的。已經寫好
我懶得用書面語每個字再翻譯一次。

iversonxu4

一起钓内湾大众点吧

fffighter

xtravagant 发表于 2018-8-20 21:46
我略略咁讀左有關新規劃既建議。真係好多釣點第時都唔可以釣。我也都好奇政府出發點怎麼特然間改變這麼大， ...

没看懂。。。

mnbv88

xtravagant 发表于 2018-8-20 22:01
我跟朋友在wechat聊的。已經寫好
我懶得用書面語每個字再翻譯一次。

你聊什么了？

xtravagant

fffighter 发表于 2018-8-20 23:45
没看懂。。。

為了你看懂我早上修改了一下。謝謝你們反饋。

fundingo

iversonxu4 发表于 2018-8-20 23:41
一起钓内湾大众点吧

看来大家没有仔细看地图，内湾至少5个经典地方被封了。

红豆冰山

鱼证再到期不再续了。。。

xtravagant

iversonxu4 发表于 2018-8-20 23:41
一起钓内湾大众点吧

你的神點也遭殃了

我的數來數去 少了3-4個

xtravagant

fundingo 发表于 2018-8-21 08:20
看来大家没有仔细看地图，内湾至少5个经典地方被封了。

我明白目前的提议很不受钓鱼人欢迎，但至少还有些地方可以钓。毕竟不钓鱼的人比钓鱼人多很多。而这些人其实也不妥钓鱼人很久了，政府实行一些政策也事在必行。其他政党的建议更差，涵盖范围更大受影响的钓场更多...

总结: 能推翻或修改固然是最好的结果，若不能也没办法，只能接受，正面去想其实也不算是最坏的结果...

jacent5588

其实对钓鱼影响有限吧，保护环境才是大事

又不是都不能钓，这个点不行去别的点呗，再不行上船呗。

fundingo

jacent5588 发表于 2018-8-21 11:04
其实对钓鱼影响有限吧，保护环境才是大事

又不是都不能钓，这个点不行去别的点呗，再不行上船呗。 ...

保护环境，你太天真了吧，这只不过是为了一些人利益的借口罢了。这是第一步，后继更多地方将会被封。

jacent5588

fundingo 发表于 2018-8-21 11:12
保护环境，你太天真了吧，这只不过是为了一些人利益的借口罢了。这是第一步，后继更多地方将会被封。 ...

难道你在这里反对不是为了自己利益？

既然都是为了利益，大家省省吧

fundingo

jacent5588 发表于 2018-8-21 11:28
难道你在这里反对不是为了自己利益？

既然都是为了利益，大家省省吧

你要同意的话，你自己开个贴吧

安妮

感觉政府更想保护钓鱼的人，钓点少了掉点也少了

fundingo

安妮 发表于 2018-8-21 14:29
感觉政府更想保护钓鱼的人，钓点少了掉点也少了

其实休闲钓鱼对海洋冲击和商业捕捞相比，几乎可以忽略不计。简单的将一些地方禁止钓鱼就能保护海洋资源，简直牛头不对马嘴，不解决任何问题。只不过做做表面文章，拿岸边钓鱼的人做个软柿子罢了。接下来可以看看我转的Facebook的一个帖子。

fundingo

fundingo 发表于 2018-8-21 14:59
其实休闲钓鱼对海洋冲击和商业捕捞相比，几乎可以忽略不计。简单的将一些地方禁止钓鱼就能保护海洋资源， ...

转帖：

By Iain Russell

You may have noticed the NSW State Government crowing about the new swathe of Marine Parks they plan to introduce between Newcastle and Wollongong.

On face value one would think this is a great idea and will solve the problems facing the marine environment. Unfortunately however (like most green politics) it’s tokenistic rubbish that will do next to nothing to protect the fishery and the environment.

These proposed sanctuaries lock out recreational anglers but let’s be clear, it’s not dads and their sons sitting in a tinny or by the side of a river wetting a line on a Saturday morning that’s the problem. In fact recreational anglers have next to nothing to do with the health of the fishery. Remember that recreational fishing is highly selective where anglers pluck a few fish out of the ocean while returning unwanted fish (by-catch) to the water alive. There’s strict size and bag limits to protect from over-fishing and quite frankly it all works pretty well.

The ‘problem’ (by which I mean the real threats to the marine environment and the fishery) are much more serious and far reaching including issues such as runoff, pollution and exploitation by commercial fishers. The problem is that the Government does not want to address the real environmental issues because that would be difficult and expensive. It’s far easier and far cheaper is to draw some arbitrary lines on a map and pretend this is a solution.

Recreational fishers are being made a scapegoat and being punished for no valid reason. Let’s also put a lid on the ‘problem’ that necessitates these draconian lock-outs which in actual fact does not exist. There’s a shit ton of fish out there. I suck at fishing and I can catch them pretty easily. They are not rare and not endangered. It’s not that bad! I know this because I have been fishing Sydney for most of my 50 years and the fishery is in great shape.

Let’s take a look at Kingfish. This species are not the smartest fish in the ocean and the commercial sector worked out that with floating traps they could catch them by the ton and systematically wiped them out. For years you never heard of anyone catching a Kingy … until the traps were banned. In a few short years the ocean was once again teeming with them and (here’s the kicker) recreational fishers go their hardest but fail to put the slightest dent in the population. Instituting Marine Parks and locking out recreational fishers will do nothing while sensible controls and regulations governing the commercial sector works wonders. So why are we being targeted?

So let’s put this to bed now. Setting aside sanctuary areas with commercial trawlers patrolling the perimeter will do nothing because (wait for it) the fish are not privy to the map nor do they recognise the boundaries. It’s 不雅ing dumb.

But why would the Government remove the civil rights and anger one million recreational fishers/voters in NSW? Surely this is electoral suicide? The answer is our political system and I’ll take a moment to explain because this is important (and it’s not boring I promise):
Our political system has two houses of parliament, a mechanism designed to prevent one individual or party having absolute power. Each house of parliament is determined by a different voting method, a system of geographic ‘seats’ in the lower house and total state-wide vote in the upper house. What this means is the Government (the party with the majority in the lower house) rarely has a majority in the upper house. This means to get anything done, the Government of the day has to negotiate with the holders of the balance of power which is (wait for it) The Greens.

So all this Marine Park bullshit is simply a result of horse trading in the dark back rooms of parliament house at Macquarie St. The major parties don’t give two 不雅s about the environment, this is simply a by-product of deals done with The Greens so they pass other unrelated bills in the Legislative Council. The bottom line is that you and your kids are being locked out of your favourite fishing spots because YOUR government has sold out to the extreme greens.

There is also the case of vested interests. Animal rights groups (shut up unless you are vegan) and the extremist greens all lobby Government with their anti-fishing agenda as well as those such as scuba divers who have an ulterior motive to selfishly secure a currently shared resource for themselves. These noisy minorities are permanently in the ear of Government pushing their agenda while the majority sits idle.

Please write or make an appointment to see your local state MP. Make it clear that this issue alone will determine your vote in the next election. In the meantime get your kids off the X-Box and take them fishing, while you still can.

Iain
Inept fisho

xtravagant

fundingo 发表于 2018-8-21 14:59
其实休闲钓鱼对海洋冲击和商业捕捞相比，几乎可以忽略不计。简单的将一些地方禁止钓鱼就能保护海洋资源， ...

其实他们自己ｒｅｐｏｒｔ也自打嘴巴。

钓鱼威胁环境是３０个项目里面排第１７...　但就偏要把钓场封了不准钓鱼。。。　

是不合理，但弱势的我们又能怎样？If Shooters Farmers and Fishers Party has more seats than the Greens then this wouldn't have happened in the first place. But the fact of the real world is we are the minority.

-=wilson=-

哪位有空写一下反对意见吧，我无条件赞成你的想法，并保证一字不漏的复制粘贴你的话加入反对一方（当然会换成我的名字），谢谢

fundingo

-=wilson=- 发表于 2018-8-21 18:40
哪位有空写一下反对意见吧，我无条件赞成你的想法，并保证一字不漏的复制粘贴你的话加入反对一方（当然会换 ...

我稍微总结了几点，请参考

1,Most of Lockouts are very safe spots, and the ban will push the inexperienced fishermen out to sea or dangerous fishing spots and place them in dangerous or life threatening situations.

2,The Lockouts of recreational fishing have nothing to do with the protection of marine life, and Recs only rank 17 of potential damage to marine life and environment according to the Lockouts' related proposal.

3,All of the Lockouts are the great platforms for kids, families and friends to enjoy  the sun and  the coast, not Video games at home.

4,The license fee of millions of fisho can help to improve the environment for the marine life. The government should focus on the resolve of commercial over-fishing and pollution.

fengliu1234

这个必须关注

hutu

看链接图里的紫色点也基本是废点，过去这些点钓一次三两条是绝对的，满载也不稀奇，如今基本上十次九空，即使不禁也已经没鱼可钓了。
说休闲钓鱼对环境影响不大还是欠客观。就我所见90%以上的亚洲钓客大小通杀完全无视尺寸、数量限制，尤以韩国人为最，大的带走，小的现场吃掉。多年前有一蟹点，上有一条长长的栈桥，从上垂下蟹笼，两根烟一罐啤酒的时间提上来就是满满一笼，后来棒子、同胞蜂拥而至，一年多时间就搞到孑孓无遗景况。岸上的小蟹海胆cunjevoi以前弄几个做饵唾手可得，现在得的沙里淘金。

fundingo

hutu 发表于 2018-8-21 22:07
看链接图里的紫色点也基本是废点，过去这些点钓一次三两条是绝对的，满载也不稀奇，如今基本上十次九空，即 ...

这个应该通过教育和加大处罚力度，不能因为一些司机肇事就将路封掉吧。

-=wilson=-

fundingo 发表于 2018-8-21 21:26
我稍微总结了几点，请参考

1,Most of Lockouts are very safe spots, and the ban will push the inexpe ...

谢谢

thinkorswim

之前不是有个啥fishing&hunting党的么？这时候哪儿去了？

xtravagant

thinkorswim 发表于 2018-8-22 11:53
之前不是有个啥fishing&hunting党的么？这时候哪儿去了？

去ｆｉｓｈｉｎｇ　ａｎｄ　ｈｕｎｔｉｎｇ　不在办公室里

40034553

xtravagant 发表于 2018-8-22 12:07
去ｆｉｓｈｉｎｇ　ａｎｄ　ｈｕｎｔｉｎｇ　不在办公室里

去facebook加 stop the lockout團體
很多主要人物都在那裡
裡面也有 fishing and hunting黨的人

ElsaAnna

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