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[器材讨论] 【转帖】 NIKON D700 VS. 5D MarkII --Ken rockwell [复制链接]

发表于 2010-7-23 14:28 |显示全部楼层
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Introduction         top

Intro   Overall   Charts   Summary Recommendations

The Nikon D700 and Canon 5D Mark II are the world's two most popular DSLRs for serious digital photographers.

Each is the best on Earth for many things. Determining which is better depends on what you want to do with it.

Comparing the two is like comparing the best car from Ferrari to the best car from Porsche. Each is the best in the world, but each is a different car designed for a different kind of driver. It's the same between the D700 and the 5D Mark II.

The Canon 5D Mark II got much better in 2010 when newer v2 firmware was released as a free upgrade. The Nikon D700 has always been excellent, while the 5D Mark II lost the rough edges it had at introduction and has become an extraordinary camera.



Overall         top

Intro   Overall   Charts   Summary Recommendations

The D700 is sturdier but heavier, while the 5D Mark II is lighter, but flimsier. I prefer lighter carry weight; while other people prefer a tougher-feeling camera.

The D700 works better in low light, since the 5D Mark II's AF system flounders in conditions where the D700 keeps on focusing. The 5D Mark II's center AF sensor is swell, but its side sensors are less accurate and less sensitive in low light.

The 5D Mark II has more resolution, but it also had more noise in its shadows, even at normal ISOs, than the D700. The extra resolution doesn't really matter unless you're hanging gallery-sized exhibits with prints at least three feet (1 meter) wide and are standing too close. The 5D Mark II's shadow noise doesn't matter, either, unless you're looking too close.

The 5D Mark II is easy to reset for shooting completely different kinds of subjects with just one click of its mode dial, while the D700 requires too many button pushes to repurpose from, say, shooting landscapes to photographing kids. With Nikon, I have to use two bodies so I can keep each set for one kind of subject: I use my D3 in my studio and a D40 for family and travel. With Canon, the 5D Mark II does all of this at the same time with a flick of a knob. See Canon 5D Mark II Total Recall Memories. The 5D Mark II makes it easy to flick between complete sets of every camera setting, while Nikon's sloppy settings banks take too many button pushes, they don't recall everything and they don't stay set, and thus I still forget things.

I prefer the 5D Mark II for its higher resolution and lower weight for nature and landscape photography. I prefer the 5D Mark II for travel with family if I also intend to do serious shooting on the same trip, because its Total Recall Memories let me swap among all the settings I need for one kind of shooting or another, and the 5D Mark II weighs much less than any full-frame camera from Nikon so it's easy to carry everywhere. I never get tired and leave the 5D Mark II back at the hotel.

For low-light, the D700 focuses better, and in any light, it has less noise in its shadows than the 5D Mark II. The D700 also has a superior AF system in any light to the 5D Mark II, and has a faster frame rate.

For action, news and sports, the Nikon D3s is still the king, but in a completely different speed and price class than either the D700 or 5D Mark II.

The D700 and 5D Mark II are as popular as they are because of their great prices, too, which are much less than two years ago when they were released. Nikon and Canon's professional cameras cost two or three times as much, and haven't gone down in price, either. The D3s and 1Ds Mark III have about the same technical image quality as the D700 and 5D Mark II (respectively), simply in bigger, heavier, faster and more expensive packages.



Comparison Charts         top

Intro   Overall   Charts   Summary Recommendations

General   Ergonomics and Shootability   Technical

I've already covered the important differences above; here are simply more details.

I'm skipping all the obvious and meaningless specs, like ISO and numbers of custom functions. What I am tabulating below are real-world observations of things that really matter to photographers.



General
         

Nikon D700

Nikon D700
        

Canon 5D Mark II

Canon 5D Mark II
Weight, w/battery and card         
38.3 oz. (1,085g)
        
32 oz. (907g)
Introduced         
8/2008
        
9/2008
Price at introduction         
$3,000
        
$3,400
Price, 6/2010         
$2,400
        
$2,400
                     
Build Quality         
Semi-pro
        
Better consumer
Feel         
Pretty tough
        
Plasticy, like a good car stereo
Made in         
Japan
        
Japan
                     
Sensor         
Full-frame
        
Full-frame
FPS, rated         
5 FPS
        
3.9 FPS
Low-light AF         
Excellent
        Fair, using the side sensors.
AF illuminator         
Yes
        
No
Built-in flash         
Yes.
        
No; try 220EX.
                     
Storage         
CF, one slot
        
CF, one slot
                     
Battery         
Li-ion
        
same
Charger         Good. Charges, but no charge percentage indication and needs separate cord.         Excellent: shows charge percentage and has built-in flipping plug
                     
Use with older manual-focus lenses?         Yes, all AI, AI-s and AId lenses from 1959-today work great.         No, FD lenses won't even mount.
                     
Best camera for         
Sports, Action, Low-Light, anything if you already own Nikon's lenses
        Travel, Nature, Landscape, Fine Art, Family vacations



Ergonomics: Usability and Shootability         top
         

Nikon D700

Nikon D700
        

Canon 5D Mark II

Canon 5D Mark II
Power Switch         Excellent, concentric with shutter release         Not acceptable: turns off by itself.
One-handed shooting         
Yes
        No. Menus, image review, playback and depth-of-field preview each require the use of a left hand.
Uses standard cable release?         No; requires expensive dedicated electronic cord.         No; requires expensive dedicated electronic cord.
Remote setting, viewing and control from a remote location via computer?         No, unless you buy the $150 Camera Control Pro software         Easy; requires free and included EOS Utility software
Quick Control screens         
Good
        
Excellent
Settings Banks         Poor: too many button pushes required to recall, they don't recall everything, and there are two banks required to be set just to save and recall 90% of the camera's settings         Excellent: the C1, C2 and C3 positions each remember everything about the camera's setup, and a dial selects them instantly by feel.
                     
Viewfinder size and clarity         
Very good
        
Very good
Visibility of data in finder         
Excellent
        Fair; digits are often thin and weak compared to Nikon.
AF Zone Display         Excellent; these go away and the finder is clear unless the zones are active         Fair; finder is always scarred by the AF sensor locations, which impedes composition
                     
WB Trim setting         
Direct control for A/B; menu for G/M
        
Menu for A/B and G/M
Ease of setting WB to a gray or white card         
Easy.
        Very complicated and takes many steps.
                     
Auto ISO setting         Hard to find the setting hidden in a menu         Easy to set: it's one click left of the slowest ISO.
Auto ISO automatically read lens focal length to set slowest shutter speed?
        
No
        
Yes
Auto ISO programmable for maximum and minimum ISO
        
Yes
        
No
Auto ISO programmable for other slowest-speed settings?         Yes, fully programmable in menus         No, automatically fixed by lens focal length
                     
LCD         
Excellent 3"
        
Excellent 3"
LCD maximum brightness         
Good
        Superior, can be set blindingly bright for use in daylight.
Image Review (while shooting)         Excellent, full playback control as soon as shot         Not acceptable, requires a second hand to hit PLAY before Image Review can be zoomed or other images selected
Playback Zoom         
Excellent
        Good; does not use full screen
                     
Copyright data embedding         Confusing, but done in-camera.         Easy, but requires special free software and a computer.
Folder management         
Clunky
        Nice, with illustrated display.



Technical Image Quality        top

Technical quality doesn't matter if you missed the shot due to an ergonomic problem above, like the 5D Mark II's defective power switch or an inability to reset the D700 for a new shooting scenario.
         

Nikon D700

Nikon D700
        

Canon 5D Mark II

Canon 5D Mark II
Auto WB         
Very good
        
Very good
Color rendition, actual shooting, people         
Excellent
        
Excellent
Color rendition, actual shooting, things         
Excellent
        
Excellent
Image tweaks (saturation, contrast, etc.)         
Excellent
        
Excellent
WB Trims         
Yes, full A/B and G/M control
        
Yes, full A/B and G/M control
Automatic Dynamic Range Control         
Excellent
        
Good, but less intelligent, lower performance and more complex to set than in Nikon.
Shadow noise         None at reasonable ISOs         Can be visible even at ISO 100.
Resolution         
12 MP
        
21 MP
JPG micro-image character, if you're looking at 100%         
Excellent; no processing artifacts. No advantage to shooting NEF for best quality compared to JPGs
        

Fair; JPG edges are enhanced while textures are smudged-over by noise reduction, even with NR off and at low ISOs. Need to shoot CR2 to avoid this.
JPG file sizes         
Almost constant
        Vary as needed with contrast and level of detail
Sharpness of smaller JPG image sizes         
Fair; no better than full-sized (Bayer-interpolated) images
        Excellent; Medium (11MP-sized) images are much sharper than the 12MP native files from the D700
Lateral Color Fringes         None: automatically corrected with any and every lens         Yes, unless you're using an exceptional lens. The 5D Mk II has no ability to correct these lens flaws.



Summary Recommendations         top

Intro   Overall   Charts   Summary Recommendations

For news, sports and action, get a Nikon D3s.

If choosing between the D700 and 5D Mark II for news, sports and action, the Nikon D700 is better because of its superior autofocus system and higher overall speed.

If you're shooting in low light, the D700's autofocus system works much better than the AF system of the 5D Mark II.

If you have to carry it all day, the 5D Mark II weighs much less.

If you need to swap quickly between banks of settings to grab different kinds of shots, the 5D Mark II's C1, C2 and C3 Total Recall modes are years ahead of anything from any Nikon.

If you need insane resolution for huge prints to be seen too close, the 5D Mark II easily wipes the D700 off the map. Heck, even the old Canon 5D, available used for half the price of a new D700, gives results technically superior to a D700.

If you're bothered by lateral color fringes, the Canon 5D Mark II has no ability to correct them, condemning you to having to use DxO software and modules to fix these common lens defects, while all the second-generation Nikons, including the D700, automatically correct this from any lens. Color fringes just don't happen on modern Nikons, while most Canon wide and zoom lenses are loaded with this defect if you're looking for it.

If you need the highest optical quality with wide zoom lenses, Canon makes no zooms anywhere near as good as Nikon's extraordinary 14-24mm f/2.8 AF-S and 16-35mm f/4 AF-S VR. Canon's newest 17-40mm f/4 L and 16-35mm f/2.8 L II are still only as good optically as Nikon's previous-generation 17-35mm f/2.8 and 18-35mm f/3.5-4.5 D. To get all the performance of which the Canon 5D Mark II is capable with wide lenses, you need to be looking at lenses like the Zeiss 21mm f/2.8. Even so, even with the limited performance of Canon's newest 16-35mm f/2.8 L II, when used at moderate apertures, the 5D Mark II's extra resolution still gives sharper results than the lower resolution D700 with Nikon's superior wide zoom optics.

So what do I shoot as of June 2010? My D3 stays locked-up in my studio, mostly because it has selectable 4:5 aspect ratio. For my style of shooting in the field, I prefer the Canon 5D Mark II because it weighs less than any other full-frame DSLR, and it's Total Recall modes let me shoot anything fast without the fiddling required by my Nikons. If I'm shooting something special, like a kid's birthday party in low light, I'll pull out the D3 (very similar to the D700 I would have bought if I didn't already own a D3), otherwise, the 5D Mark II wins on resolution and light weight. With its new v2 firmware, the 5D Mark II screams. Size, weight and ergonomics are everything to me, so the 5D Mark II is what I grab for use in the field. It's colors are superior to the LEICA M9, and to me, color is everything. Nikon's colors are as good as Canon's; I prefer Japan's Fujifilm look over LEICA's Kodak Ektachrome look.

When I shoot Nikon in the field today, it's usually today's superior Nikon F6, which sells for the same price and weighs less than the D700. I'd love to own the fantastic D700; the only reason I don't is because Nikon sucked me into buying the D3, which came out a year before the magnificent D700, which has the same technical image quality as the D3 but in a newer, smarter package.
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2010年度奖章获得者

发表于 2010-7-23 16:53 |显示全部楼层
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你想说明啥

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原帖由 jmms_smmj 于 2010-7-23 15:53 发表
你想说明啥



没啥啊,分享一下KEN ROCKWELL的评论,各自找各自趁手的兵器,拍片子。呵呵。

退役斑竹 2010年度奖章获得者

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its side sensors are less accurate and less sensitive in low light.


这句说的很正确,MD有时忒狠这点了。

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[quote]原帖由 老陶 于 2010-7-23 16:56 发表


这句说的很正确,MD有时忒狠这点了。 [/quote

老陶,这个不准确到什么程度? 我还看准了5d2,实在不行就上7d,在不行就投靠d700了
前面有光,光叔志

退役斑竹 2010年度奖章获得者

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不是说对焦不准确,而是在弱光下,边缘焦点对不上焦,或者对焦很慢,不管什么头。

对焦永远是无敌兔的命门。如果把对焦搞上去,无敌兔就是大马三了
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退役斑竹

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原帖由 老陶 于 2010-7-23 20:14 发表
不是说对焦不准确,而是在弱光下,边缘焦点对不上焦,或者对焦很慢,不管什么头。

对焦永远是无敌兔的命门。如果把对焦搞上去,无敌兔就是大马三了 ...


哥,价钱也就不是兔子价了

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原帖由 yeu008 于 2010-7-25 23:27 发表


哥,价钱也就不是兔子价了

你哥他不买贵的,只买对的!
Water

发表于 2010-8-24 17:34 |显示全部楼层

评测都用,买哪个取决于手上的镜头

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