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ETRAD和COMSEC那个好？最后跟贴：只能是COMMWEALTH的现有客户才能链接吧，最后发表：风城兄弟	风城兄弟 2009-6-5 14:31	92066	风城兄弟 2009-6-21 00:52
最近手头有资金的股市投资投机战法最后跟贴：说的好。依此执行。原帖由六把刀于 2009-5-28 03:32 发表手头有资金，还是关注中国B，A股和港股，道纳指虽崩溃难说，但赚钱肯定不易，同理不看好澳股，操作股票一定要独立思考，绝对不要听金眼屎，胡猪流那些留美专家博士的夸夸其谈，更不要说那些纸上谈兵的小赵括们的屁话 ... 最后发表：ccj5124	六把刀 2009-5-28 04:32	32013	ccj5124 2009-6-20 11:57
谁有BHP的股票数据，多于yahoo的历史数据？最后跟贴：原帖由 007 于 2009-6-19 15:36 发表这有1994-2009澳洲全部股票的历史数据，免费。不过是for metastock的。但应该是txt文件，你自己转换 http://asx-metastock-historical-data.blogspot.com/ 这个网站我进不去，奇怪最后发表：cn_yy	qichxi 2009-6-19 02:21	182048	cn_yy 2009-6-19 19:56
怎么买澳洲的股票啊？最后跟贴：上BROKERS的网站下载申请表连同一些个人资料寄过去就行了。最后发表：Devil_Star	xiaoying 2009-6-19 14:15	41575	Devil_Star 2009-6-19 19:07
澳股流感主题最后跟贴：我只炒a股　看到流感概念　最近安达基因　莱因生物　都涨的不错请教澳股有类似概念股吗？最后发表：辰雨	辰雨 2009-6-19 03:05	01194	辰雨 2009-6-19 03:05
Bill Murphy: Manipulation Of The Gold Market 最后跟贴：Bill Murphy: Manipulation Of The Gold Market [转帖 2009-06-10 22:33:40] Bill Murphy: Manipulation Of The Gold Market Written by Lara Crigger Friday, 05 June 2009 12:49 Brad Zigler's recent feature, "Has Gold Been Manipulated?", which dismissed the possibility of price manipulation in the gold market, ignited a firestorm of comments and emails from our readers. That's why we decided to sit down with Bill Murphy, chairman and director of the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee (GATA), and hear the other side of the story. GATA is a nonprofit advocacy and education group dedicated to exposing and opposing manipulation in gold, precious metals and other financial markets. Before he helped found GATA, Murphy worked as a commodities broker on Wall Street; in 1998, he launched the popular gold market website, Le Metropole. Recently, HAI's associate editor Lara Crigger chatted with Murphy about GATA and its mission, including how manipulation would occur, where gold prices ought to be and who's really pulling the strings. Lara Crigger (Crigger): GATA argues that for over a decade, gold prices have been kept artificially low. Who's behind the manipulation, and why? Murphy: It's what we call "The Gold Cartel": The United States government is the main culprit, with "hit men" like Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan Chase, and other central banks, like the Bank of England. It's been going on for some time now. Basically, it all started with [former U.S. Treasury Secretary under the Clinton Administration] Robert Rubin, back when he was the head of Goldman Sachs in London. He would borrow gold from the central banks at a 1% interest rate, and then sell it. He took this idea and made it the essence of his "Strong Dollar Policy" [while at the U.S. Treasury]. Then there was Lawrence Summers, who followed him as Treasury Secretary. He once articulated the relationship between gold and interest rates in his paper, "Gibson's Paradox and the Gold Standard": Keep the gold price down, he said, and you keep interest rates down. Now, the U.S. [government] is very concerned about stock market interest rates, the dollar and so on. The main way to control all that is to keep the gold price down. So they'd borrow central bank gold and surreptitiously put it in the marketplace, via various leasing and swap operations. It's this gold that has kept the price from being $2,000 - or well over it. Crigger: And the banks, why are they involved? Murphy: Well, it's a very close relationship between Goldman Sachs and the U.S. Treasury. Half the Treasury is staffed by Goldman Sachs people. And the Federal Reserve - J. P. Morgan is the Federal Reserve's bank. They've worked closely together, sharing information, certainly helping in trading. Being able to borrow gold - it's like free money when you lease it in the marketplace, as long as the price stays the same or doesn't go up too much. So they've made money trading this market against the specs, with the government's help, for well over a decade. And they made a lot of money doing it. But now they're running out of central bank gold to meet the heavy demand showing up from everywhere. It's reported that the central banks have 30,000 tons of gold in their vaults. Three of our consultants have shown through different methodologies that they have a good bit less than 15,000 tons, which is less than half of what they say they have. The difference is the gold that's been used over the past decade in the gold price suppression scheme. So it's become a very risky deal. Crigger: How so? Murphy: Think of it simplistically: If gold were to shoot up $250 in the next few weeks, what would everyone talk about? They'd talk about too much inflation, the dollar falling apart; they might talk about a crisis. It would be all negative for the politicians in power, the banks and Wall Street. Gold is a barometer of U.S. financial market health, which is why they try to control it. Crigger: Can you walk me through how such a price manipulation would work? You said banks let out gold "surreptitiously" - how do they do it without attracting notice? Murphy: Basically what happens is J.P. Morgan goes to a central bank and borrows gold, leases it at, say, a 1% interest rate. Then they take the physical gold and they dump it into the marketplace, which adds to the supply. That supply helps to meet demand; without that supply, demand would overpower the dwindling stuff coming out of mines and scrap supply. Gold has gone up nine years in a row. It's way up this year. Now they're in what we call a "managed retreat," because they can only stop the excitement so much, and they're just trying to manage it. They don't want it to get out of control. But it's coming, and it's so strong that they're in deep, deep trouble. Crigger: What evidence is there suggesting price manipulation? Murphy: Well, we have nothing but evidence that we've collected for 10 years. We haven't found anything in 10 years that shows us we were wrong, and we're always looking. A lot of it is on the public record, such as Alan Greenspan saying "Central banks stand ready to lease gold in increasing quantities should the price go up." Well, that's what they did. Crigger: Right, but rather than what officials have said or not said, is there any evidence in the market itself that you could point to and say, "That means manipulation?" Murphy: Look at the concentrated position of JPMorgan Chase in the gold and silver markets. Their percentage of the shorts - theirs and HSBC's - are almost the entire short position in the silver market. That's far more of a concentrated position than you see in oil, corn or any other commodity. Nothing else shows anything like it. In fact, J.P. Morgan is short more silver than Nelson Bunker Hunt was long. But they allow that to occur. It's just ridiculous. They're not supposed to be having such concentrated positions. That's one of the mandates of the CFTC [Commodity Futures Trading Commission], to make sure these things don't occur, because that's how manipulations can happen. Crigger: Is the fact that two or three banks have a majority in these short positions necessarily indicative of manipulation? Murphy: They told Nelson Bunker Hunt that his concentrated long position was not to be allowed, and they forced him out. Well, why do they allow J.P. Morgan to do the same thing on the short side? They said that Bunker Hunt manipulated the silver market. We're saying that J.P. Morgan is part of the manipulation of the gold and silver market. This all developed from Robert Rubin to Lawrence Summers, from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration and now Obama - who, by the way, is going through with the same policies. When Geithner as treasury secretary was the head of the Fed [Federal Reserve Bank of New York], he carried out the manipulation of the gold market. The guy who helped originate it, Lawrence Summers, is now the top economic guy for President Obama. It's very entrenched. But the difference is now they're running out of available central bank gold to carry it out. Crigger: How do you know? Murphy: At the GATA African Gold Summit, in May 2001, Frank Veneroso, who is a consultant of ours, delivered a brilliant presentation that said they would run out of gold in 7 to 10 years, based on his work. Well, that's about where we are. In addition, European central banks can sell 9.7 tons of gold per week as part of the Washington Agreement. But they're not even selling 1 ton. So we believe demand is 1,000 to 1,200 times greater than mined and scrap supply. That deficit was being met by the Gold Cartel's surreptitious selling of central bank gold. But now instead of getting 500 tons from the European central banks to help, their supply is drying up. They don't want to sell anymore. Crigger: A few weeks ago, Brad Zigler wrote an article pointing out that banks have lopsided positions in all sorts of commodities contracts, and that large concentrations of short positions by banks are not necessarily an indication of manipulation. Do you want to comment on that? Murphy: I totally disagree with that. As far as I know, there's nothing like it, in the sense of what J.P. Morgan and HSBC have in the silver market specifically. That concentration is far greater than any other position a bank or any other firm has. It's very abnormal to have this size of concentration for the open interest. Crigger: What about platinum and palladium? In those markets, the banks only have short positions, right? Murphy: That's basically what they have in the silver market also. But you're talking many banks, versus just one or two. Now if there were 10, 15, 20 firms with these positions, good for them. But in silver's case, it's just J.P. Morgan and HSBC. Their short position stands out far more than anyone else's. Crigger: Assuming the price of gold has been kept artificially low, how much has the price been altered as a result? You threw out $2,000 earlier - where did that figure come from? Murphy: This is a pretty commonly used number, even in the mainstream world. Had the price kept pace with U.S. inflation, it would be $2,300 per ounce, let's say between $2,000-$2,400 an ounce. Back when we had our Gold Rush 21 Conference [in 2005], the price was $436, and I said it was going to take $3,000-5,000 an ounce price to clear the market. And I think that's the kind of price you're going to see in the years ahead. Once it takes out $1,000, gold's just going to take off like you won't believe. Crigger: But what about manipulation? Won't that keep the price down? Murphy: They'll lose control. That doesn't mean they won't do whatever they can to calm things down again, with whatever gold they have left. But that's the problem: They keep letting loose the gold they have left. Nobody knows how much U.S. gold is left [in the U.S. Gold Reserve]. We're trying to find out through the Freedom of Information Act, and the Fed and Treasury won't tell us. They keep redacting or holding back information. Now if gold's just sitting there, and they've never done anything with it as they say, then what's there to hold back? Crigger: Well, it could just be an issue of bureaucracy. Or stupidity. Murphy: Well, why hold back 400 pages of something where nothing's going on? President Obama has called for transparency in our government. Well, we're asking for transparency. There hasn't been an official, independent audit of our gold reserves since the Eisenhower administration in 1955; can you imagine owning something since 1955 with no audit? Crigger: Certainly, many things about all this appear strange. But just because something looks suspicious doesn't necessarily make it proof that manipulation is going on. Murphy: Well, it's like a jury listening to a murder trial. As you sit there, I could probably come up with 250 things that all fit together. At the end of the trial, you'd say some of it's circumstantial to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. But there's just so much of it. People have said they're going to [manipulate]. Here's an exact quote from the Bank of International Settlements: "There are five main purposes of central bank cooperation, and one of them is the provision of international credits and joint efforts to influence asset prices (especially gold and foreign exchange) in circumstances where this might be thought useful." Or this: the Reserve Bank of Australia said, "foreign currency reserve assets and gold are held primarily to support intervention in the foreign exchange market." This is all on record. I don't even know why there's a debate about this. Crigger: If it's true that the Fed is instrumental in this price manipulation, then how do you reconcile quantitative easing? One of the side effects of that is that gold prices are just going to shoot up, right? Murphy: That's a very good question. Because that's where they're in trouble. They're doing everything they can to keep the price of gold from going sky-high, and they're desperately trying to keep interest rates and Treasury bonds down, and with all this money they're printing, they're petrified. So it's actually making them more aggressive in trying to keep the prices of gold and silver down. But it's such an obvious thing for people to see that demand is exploding all over the world. Whether it's with ETFs, the Chinese, or big hedge fund managers, the big money is pouring in, buying up the physical gold and silver. So they, I think, are on their last legs to try and hold the prices down, because if they don't keep interest rates down, the troubled real estate market's going to go right back in the tank. The quantitative easing will be the final straw that breaks the camel's back. But they shouldn't have done this in the first place. That's what caused the problem. Had they not rigged the gold prices for the past 10 or 12 years, interest rates would've gone way up, and it would've had self-correcting mechanisms. This is hurting a lot of people, and yet they keep doing the same thing. But they're going to get beat. 最后发表：jialiren	jialiren 2009-6-18 22:47	0914	jialiren 2009-6-18 22:47
如何建立自己的交易系统最后跟贴：系统交易的目的就是在于排除人性的弱点高频的系统交易，更是用数理的分析，用统计分析证明盈利的稳定性。我就是系统交易。最后发表：qichxi	油花生 2009-6-18 02:50	21381	qichxi 2009-6-18 11:41
汇款换汇回中国的问题最后跟贴：手续费是多少？最后发表：说说看	Wangx813 2009-6-14 22:15	41657	说说看 2009-6-16 21:56
股票软件测试版最后跟贴：原帖由 tritri 于 2011-6-16 09:29 发表是个好东西! 才女又露面了最后发表：zn7726	jaszhou 2010-12-31 17:32	262727	zn7726 2009-6-16 11:24
澳币还会往上涨吗？最后跟贴：澳币不知道，但美金还会降的最后发表：dayang	melbourne_mm 2009-6-4 14:27	223121	dayang 2009-6-15 17:33
如何買入香港股票﹖ 最后跟贴：我想買入港幣然後買進香港的股票請問有什麼方法或是broker 比較好的﹖﹖﹖ 最后发表：icac	icac 2009-6-14 22:37	01291	icac 2009-6-14 22:37
咨询各位两个账户的差别最后跟贴：原帖由 linfordzhang 于 2009-6-9 20:54 发表买卖股票把钱存入cca，其他的钱最好放到cia里面可以获取较高的利息，应该是4.2%吧我在Commonwealth的存款帐户怎么利息只有2.7％啊？最后发表：wwp	Poweregg 2009-6-9 13:32	31644	wwp 2009-6-14 05:04
deleted 最后跟贴：自己觉得，你当初为什么买，现在为什么卖，如果不卖，怎么价位才卖。如果都不知道，最有很容易就是，涨：不卖。跌：不卖。什么时候卖：不知道。最后发表：czt81199	buybuy 2009-6-9 00:16	21545	czt81199 2009-6-13 02:36
有没有做SPI的CFD的人?你们的手续费是多少？最后跟贴：搞个免费的IGmarkets帐号，免费看数据。这个spread也要看情况，有时候高有时候低。最后发表：黑山老妖	qichxi 2009-6-11 21:28	11428	黑山老妖 2009-6-11 22:09
请问Commsec买的股票要几天才能卖？最后跟贴：原帖由 cassychan 于 2009-6-7 15:00 发表是不是可以不用成本就买卖股票, 只要如果股票跌了, 你的帐号有钱被它扣就行了? 嗯，有BROKER认可的抵押就行。最后发表：Devil_Star	fkfrance 2009-5-14 12:40	154717	Devil_Star 2009-6-7 18:38
澳元在涨,是否该动作一下了? 最后跟贴：同问啊,期待牛人来解答啊最后发表：豌豆公主	globete 2009-6-3 20:15	11415	豌豆公主 2009-6-6 23:15
有谁了解最后跟贴：好像把在美国的ＳＨＯＰＰＩＮＧ　ｃｅｎｔｒｅ　也卖了，最后发表：五月的风	风城兄弟 2009-6-1 18:12	21364	五月的风 2009-6-6 22:51
请高人谈一下澳洲股市和中国股市各自的优缺点，对个人来说最后跟贴：楼主没有资格悬奖200分,我编辑了. 最后发表：休 - [已解决]	funfun 2009-6-3 22:33	113247	休 2009-6-5 13:32
如何炒美国股票？最后跟贴：都一样，凑合的用就行了最后发表：burnh	floodp 2009-6-4 12:50	41740	burnh 2009-6-5 02:13
中国需尽早部署应对美元的金融战略------再多收购点澳洲的矿，澳币能跌多少？最后跟贴：原帖由 jialiren 于 2009-5-27 11:06 发表中国陷入美元陷阱外管局看淡英镑看涨澳元 -----仅摘了一段看看中国陷入美元陷阱外管局看淡英镑看涨澳元 [] 来源：东方早报 2009-05-26 09:15 　　据《金融时报》昨日报道，尽管中国政府口头上不 ... 看涨澳元？那当然，中信泰富的澳元accumulator可以扭亏为盈最后发表：4493	jialiren 2009-5-27 12:02	31541	4493 2009-6-4 21:30
来瞧瞧周立波模仿3带领导人对国内股市的态度最后跟贴：他的段子我看过不少。。幸亏有字幕。。不然听不懂。。想要火遍全国。。还是要用普通话说。。不过他那些段子全用普通话就没有什么意思了最后发表：kyu	annyshi 2009-6-3 00:03	41857	kyu 2009-6-3 23:11
澳元爆涨最后跟贴：原帖由 farmer 于 2009-5-2 12:26 发表我没要赌，就算赌，凭啥说俺赢面小？阁下是拍脑袋想出来的，还是要拍胸脯保证的？希望不是最后拍大腿，说又缴了学费了。要是能说出个子丑寅卯，还叫人佩服点。事实胜于雄辩。。。现在你还想说些什么吗？最后发表：dapijin ...2 3 4 5 6..7	珍惜 2009-4-14 13:47	19020644	dapijin 2009-6-3 21:19
澳对美已经过0.8了最后跟贴：AUD即将跨入5.7RMB的门槛，1个月来无情地将过去半年多的颓势一扫而光！最后发表：tjjimmycy ...2	flyspirit 2009-5-30 10:51	415152	tjjimmycy 2009-6-3 16:53
请教：网银汇款回中国的方式最后跟贴：继续问，HSBC澳洲网上银行汇款澳币去北京工行(ICBC)，具体怎么收费？有经验的同学介绍一下最后发表：guigua	guigua 2009-6-1 22:21	71822	guigua 2009-6-3 00:59
申请了commsec的股票账户，可是怎么把钱转进去呢？最后跟贴：是最后发表：findcaiyzh	芥末夏天 2009-5-27 15:42	72860	findcaiyzh 2009-6-1 21:28
commsec 的账户密码是几位啊最后跟贴：有一个发到你注册邮箱的那个 CommSec Client ID 最后发表：格美	wangwalter 2009-5-31 22:29	11585	格美 2009-6-1 10:29
帐号问题最后跟贴：谢ls了最后发表：小鼠鼠	小鼠鼠 2009-5-31 18:23	21416	小鼠鼠 2009-5-31 21:46
未来十年中国股市必将是世界之最最后跟贴：中国是高智商人玩的地方,地球很危险,赶快回火星(paopaobing(3)) 最后发表：burnh	六把刀 2009-5-28 21:24	61627	burnh 2009-5-29 23:23
《货币长城--金融战役学（第一卷虚拟经济学）》最后跟贴：刚刚在6PARK上看到这部书，觉得很有意思，给个链接，有兴趣的同学可以读读。 http://pop.6park.com/finance/messages/62602.html 编者的话《货币战争》金融断代史，《货币长城》金融战役史。《货币战争》提出了问题，《货币长城》提供了例证。《货币战争》一石激起千层浪，《货币长城》恰如细雨落池塘。合起来，一部金融通史；分开去，鱼与渔的不同。清凉界，悲鸟鸣，烛影斧声鬼吹灯。出师表，警世钟，长天秋水放歌行。想起苏格兰民族诗人彭斯： “多一次攻击，添一分自由；不动——就要断头。” 位卑未敢忘忧国。最后发表：longyu68	longyu68 2009-5-29 22:04	01777	longyu68 2009-5-29 22:04
个人经验：悉尼比较适合的换汇机构最后跟贴：kvb汇率不是最好的，在townhall的那个citibank building的18楼kvb旁边的那家换汇公司是我见过汇率最好的，基本是按照现时汇率换的最后发表：careycat	kevsl 2009-2-3 18:33	62993	careycat 2009-5-27 22:44
菜鸟问题:Registered Units和Available Units 最后跟贴：按照available units 卖最后发表：linfordzhang	findcaiyzh 2009-5-25 15:53	11366	linfordzhang 2009-5-25 23:23
USD短线上扬，长线下挫最后跟贴：比较郁闷呀，地位不保最后发表：cn214	cn214 2009-5-25 18:58	01327	cn214 2009-5-25 18:58
金融危机产生的影响最后跟贴：金融危机席卷全球，对人类生活产生一些意想不到的影响。美国《华盛顿观察》周刊25日转述了美国《外交政策》月刊列出的金融危机对政治、文化、社会经济各方面的13项“意外”副作用，其中包含全球暖化速度放缓，《花花公子》等男性杂志将由熟女当道等。　　1.政府更能干　　失业问题严重，公务员成铁饭碗，以往挤破头的金融机构不再吃香，政府更能网罗人才。　　2.政府易腐败　　受金融危机影响，全世界的货物和服务需求都大幅减少，政府订单成为企业的救命电话，企业不惜拼命送红包，政府贪腐情形必会增加。　　3.温室气体排放减少　　全球经济成长大幅放缓，经济衰退的时间越长，排放的温室气体就越少，天空更蓝的机会可望增加。　　4.网络广告更肆虐　　报纸面临生存危机，会增加在站点的广告，以弥补报纸广告收入的滑坡。未来，在浏览网络新闻时，恐怕有更多广告弹出来，文章还会被切分成更多页面以增加点击率。　　5.更多人走进教堂　　经济低迷期总是教堂的繁荣期，分析显示，从1968年到2004年，每逢经济衰退，教堂信徒人数就会增加50%。　　6.下一代学会节俭　　童年的宏观经济情况往往影响成年后的理财观，大萧条时代长成的那一代的人，理财比前、后代都保守，相信现在的孩子将来很可能会更倾向储蓄。　　7.女性裙子变长　　在经济困难时期，人类会倾向“较成熟”的伴侣，《花花公子》跨页海报将不再青睐年轻和骨感，而起用丰腴的“熟女”，电影男女主人公也趋向成熟。　　8.年轻人愿从军　　金融危机冲击最大的是18岁到24岁的年轻人，正是从军的黄金年龄，数据显示，2008年第4季度美军5年来首次超额完成征兵任务。　　9.私立学校风光不在　　过去一年来私立学校收到的捐款少了10%到30%，未来在给予申请者经济支持上将更加保守。而且受信贷紧缩影响，学生也更难申请到学生贷款。　　10.更多人不敢退休　　原本在数年内准备退休的人因为退休金缩水，将不得不延后退休时间。该退的不敢退，使得职位空缺相对减少，也阻碍升迁路，办公室政治将更加惨烈。　　11.全球化不吃香　　全球经济衰退造成保护主义抬头，跨境旅游可能大幅减少，海外留学受影响，各大新闻机构也会砍掉一些驻海外机构以降低工本。　　12.“末日博士”更加忙碌　　预测这波经济泡沫破裂的经济学家、“末日博士”等，会成为全球各经济危机研讨会的大红人。例如在200年2月就预言美国金融系统将崩溃的纽约大学教授鲁比尼，今年已走访伊斯坦堡、杜拜、阿布扎比、伦敦、利雅德、苏黎世、达沃斯和莫斯科。　　13.“大萧条”作品流行　　抚今追昔，有关“大萧条”时代的文学将主导亚马逊快销排行榜。最后发表：标准穷人	标准穷人 2009-5-25 11:51	01236	标准穷人 2009-5-25 11:51
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大笔澳币从中国汇过来如何操作最后跟贴：易通，昆仑，联通，都还不错最后发表：cn214	4493 2008-11-4 15:08	215239	cn214 2009-5-24 22:45
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去新西兰玩应该在哪里换新币合算呢？最后跟贴：最后发表：2hhgswgr	kieren 2008-11-9 18:17	52287	2hhgswgr 2009-5-24 16:06
不要以抄底的心态去投资最后跟贴：最后发表：2hhgswgr	wdmznzd 2008-11-25 22:59	51789	2hhgswgr 2009-5-24 16:05
小心Commsec的Rejection Fee 最后跟贴：我也已经中招两回了。。。最后发表：franknet	xiaofu 2009-5-22 13:01	52136	franknet 2009-5-24 11:44
我们必须知道的社会生活十二大著名法则最后跟贴：五、零和游戏原理胜利者的光荣后面往往隐藏着失败者的辛酸和苦涩。从个人到国家，从政治到经济，似乎无不验证了世界正是一个巨大的“零和游戏”场。这种理论认为，世界是一个封闭的系统，财富、资源、机遇都是有限的，个别人、个别地区和个别国家财富的增加必然意味着对其他人、其他地区和国家的掠夺，这是一个“邪恶进化论”式的弱肉强食的世界。但从“零和游戏”走向“双赢”，要求各方要有真诚合作的精神和勇气，在合作中不要耍小聪明，不要总想占别人的小便宜，要遵守游戏规则，否则“双赢”的局面就不可能出现，最终吃亏的还是自己。最后发表：jialiren	油花生 2009-5-22 03:28	11384	jialiren 2009-5-22 10:43