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【更新程序员也要给外包】]布里斯班政府计划将IT职位外包给亚洲 [复制链接]

发表于 2013-1-7 09:17 |显示全部楼层
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2013年1月10日更新:

最新的新闻里说:程序员也要给外包
新闻链接:http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/it-pro/government-it/it-workers-fight-for-their-jobs-20130109-2ch32.html

Cr Simmonds said the ]outsourcing involved the council's computer programming area.

"Computer programming is not our core business and it's common for large organisations like ours to outsource this type of technical work to the experts who will deliver better value for ratepayers," he said.






IT果然是被外包的命,连政府都开始将IT外包给国外了。

被外包的领域有:help desk, project services and administration

估计布里斯班政府会成为开创外包IT给国外的先例,后面会更多政府把IT外包到国外了.

BCC will be one of the first government agencies to outsource work overseas and not to an Australian firm.


新闻原文:http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/bcc-plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-asia-source-says-20130106-2cba8.html


BCC plans to outsource jobs to Asia, source says

TONY MOORE January 07, 2013

Brisbane City Council plans to outsource 50 information technology jobs to Asia to save wages, a well-placed council source told Fairfax Media this week.

The outsourcing of IT jobs in three work areas - help desk, project services and administration - was confirmed by a spokesman for Lord Mayor Graham Quirk on Sunday.

However Cr Quirk’s spokesman said a final decision on exactly where the jobs would be outsourced to would not be made for several weeks.

The senior source has told brisbanetimes.com.au that Council’s senior information technology managers were now discussing how to send the jobs to India, China or elsewhere in Asia with two outsourcing companies.

If it goes ahead with the plan - to be decided on by Council in January or early February - BCC will be one of the first government agencies to outsource work overseas and not to an Australian firm.

‘‘The councillors may not know about it yet,’’ the source said.

‘‘It is just the IT managers deciding it now. However, I am assuming that once the councillors know about it, they should be smart enough to say no.’’

BCC's Finance and Administration committee chairman Cr Julian Simmonds yesterday confirmed that three IT areas would be outsourced.

"Council has looked at what services IT currently offers internally to our staff which could be offered externally at a lower cost to ratepayers with a higher service result," Cr Simmonds said.

"We found in three areas it is done internally at a cheaper price and better service result,’’ he said.

‘‘But we have made no decision on the other three service areas."

Cr Simmonds insisted there would be no forced redundancies for employees.

The source said most IT staff were generally unhappy with the plan to send the work overseas to save money on wages, while others were concerned at the impact on their jobs.

‘Like IT support, when a council employee rings up and says 'I have got a problem with my desktop, that is the type of work that can be shifted overseas," the source said.

‘‘So instead of that work being done by people living in Australia, it will be done by people living in another country.’’

BCC issued an expression of interest for the outsourcing work eight months ago, the source said, adding:

‘‘They are now in detailed contract negotiations with two multinational companies, with a view to having it up and running by June. But in order to do that they have to have into the first council meeting of the year.’’

Asked if BCC was acting responsibly in seeking to use lower paid overseas workers as a means of saving money, Cr Quirk’s spokesman said negotiations were still underway.

‘‘Well we are not at that stage yet of saying where the work is going. It is still deciding on whether we do the outsourcing or not,’’ the spokesman said.

‘‘When that decision is made, then we will get to that decision. But we are not there yet.’’

Any decision on IT outsourcing would be separate to BCC's $353 million Business and System Efficiency (BASE) review program, which is a large-scale upgrade of its payroll system.

However, other sources have also pointed out that Brisbane’s water and sewerage supplier, Queensland Urban Utilities, which is majority-owned by BCC, also can no longer use the Council's IT area because their contract finishes on June 30, 2012.

Sources say this change may influence the number of IT jobs needed by BCC.

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发表于 2013-1-8 11:34 |显示全部楼层
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只是说说而已,真搞了一定是场灾难

IT包给澳洲的公司都已经没啥效率了,还包给海外。。。

发表于 2013-1-8 11:55 |显示全部楼层
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Auceps 发表于 2013-1-8 11:34
只是说说而已,真搞了一定是场灾难

IT包给澳洲的公司都已经没啥效率了,还包给海外。。。

这年头省钱才是王道,估计很多把IT外包出去的公司也是这样想的。

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发表于 2013-1-8 11:58 |显示全部楼层
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audreamer 发表于 2013-1-8 11:55
这年头省钱才是王道,估计很多把IT外包出去的公司也是这样想的。

这个应该推行难度很大,很多政府机构的系统都是内部做的,乱七八糟一塌糊涂,外面的人根本没法支援
到时候问题解决不了政府运作出问题就后悔了

发表于 2013-1-8 12:26 |显示全部楼层
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Auceps 发表于 2013-1-8 11:58
这个应该推行难度很大,很多政府机构的系统都是内部做的,乱七八糟一塌糊涂,外面的人根本没法支援
到时 ...

了解得很清楚呀,兄弟在政府的?

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里面说了是help desk, project services and administration。 搞application的还是安全的。
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发表于 2013-1-8 21:37 |显示全部楼层
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那估计是给三哥作了

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yesngo 发表于 2013-1-8 21:03
里面说了是help desk, project services and administration。 搞application的还是安全的。

我怎么觉得编程的被外包的可能性更大,搞网络的被外包的可能性低点? 因为搞网络维护需要on site,但编程off site也可以。

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BCC以前包过,不划算又拿回来了,现在又包出去了,没准那天又回来了。

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公务猿可以外包就好了

发表于 2013-1-10 09:43 |显示全部楼层
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2013年1月10日更新:
最新的新闻里说:程序员也要给外包

新闻链接:http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/it-pro/government-it/it-workers-fight-for-their-jobs-20130109-2ch32.html

Cr Simmonds said the ]outsourcing involved the council's computer programming area.

"Computer programming is not our core business and it's common for large organisations like ours to outsource this type of technical work to the experts who will deliver better value for ratepayers," he said.


新闻全文:


IT workers fight for their jobs

TONY MOORE January 10, 2013
BCC is sending IT jobs offshore, according to a well-placed source.

Brisbane City Council IT workers are fighting to prevent their jobs being outsourced overseas. Photo: Louie Douvis

Brisbane City Council will meet with staff unions next Tuesday as 50 information technology workers fight to stop their jobs being outsourced, potentially to overseas workers.

The council disputes it wants to directly outsource jobs overseas, but agrees it has little control over the actions of the two firms that have tendered for the outsourcing work.

A spokesman for Lord Mayor Graham Quirk said the council would not make a decision on the issue until late February.

He said the council did not have the ability to determine how a firm should run its business when it won the tender.

"We will be dealing with Australian-based firms and workers, therefore it would be near impossible to police whether they then outsourced this work overseas further along the line, nor are we going to tell Australian-based private-sector firms how to run their business," he said.

Australian Services Union assistant secretary Jennifer Thomas said workers had to be given the chance to bid for work that could be outsourced.

"Our members affected by the proposed outsourcing option have indicated that they believe that they can compete against any local suppliers," she said.

"But they question what commitment the council would have to the city by exporting current jobs overseas."

Ms Thomas insisted workers having the chance to bid for their own jobs was a condition of their current enterprise bargaining agreement.

"Our union has consistently required that a business case be presented to unions prior to any decision being made," she said.

"Council has agreed to meet with our union on Tuesday to resolve any issues."

However, Cr Quirk's spokesman said the clause was only an option and "not a formal requirement".

"[It] does not apply in circumstances where a specific work unit is undertaking an organisational redesign – exactly what is occurring here," he said.

Finance chairman Julian Simmonds said there would be no change to the council's customer contact centre or internal IT help desk.

Cr Simmonds said the outsourcing involved the council's computer programming area.

"Computer programming is not our core business and it's common for large organisations like ours to outsource this type of technical work to the experts who will deliver better value for ratepayers," he said.

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最佳省钱又高效的途径是把州政府裁掉。
一个软件系统如果能管一个州,就能管全国,没必要每个地方另搞一套。

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外包公司都是3/7分配onsite 和offshore, 也就是说任何IT工作都可以接

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所以各种外包公司好啊

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印度人一个程序员要两个经理伺候,这不是变相扩大政府规模吗?

退役斑竹

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据说NAB, ANZ又想把外包的撤回来,因为印度人做的太差,有这回事吗?
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月亮 发表于 2013-1-10 14:49
据说NAB, ANZ又想把外包的撤回来,因为印度人做的太差,有这回事吗?

ANZ已经这么干了

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workflow 发表于 2013-1-10 14:59
ANZ已经这么干了

IT的春天又要回来了?

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月亮 发表于 2013-1-10 15:01
IT的春天又要回来了?

那都好几年前的事了,我估计又要外包了

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workflow 发表于 2013-1-10 15:17
那都好几年前的事了,我估计又要外包了

晕死,没完没了了

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一切都是为了省钱
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估计很多IT的同学都恨死外包公司。

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我现在这个地方所有的东西都是外包做的,但是据说要都拿回来,管理层核算后认为成本更高,今明两年的计划是再招300个人。我们现在的team 10个人据说上半年要招到50人,小领导许诺所有的人都升一级成 TL,可惜和我没有关系了。

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Dan.and.Andy 发表于 2013-1-11 12:15
我现在这个地方所有的东西都是外包做的,但是据说要都拿回来,管理层核算后认为成本更高,今明两年的计划是 ...


非常好!请问你那里是从事IT哪个领域的?

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吓我一跳,我以为是我发的贴。

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我是山寨的
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不说还以为是楼上的是26楼的马甲嘞~~~
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跟印度扯上关系,最终就是死路一条,看看思科成了什么样子就知道了。

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不管什么公司都养一批IT人员,这大概是IT泡沫时的产物

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netstat 发表于 2013-1-12 10:41
跟印度扯上关系,最终就是死路一条,看看思科成了什么样子就知道了。

思科也外包到印度啦?

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