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[其他方面] 买房是划算的投资吗?? [复制链接]

发表于 2007-6-3 12:16 |显示全部楼层
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看了这篇文章,觉得买房不是好的投资,大家不妨也来看看.

Life savers

Australia's love affiar with property may have been misplaced, with other investments giving considerably higher returns.
INESTMENT RETURNS

15 years to DECEMBER 2006,AVERAGE

Shares(Australia)                    17.1%
Shares(international)              12.6%
Listed prop.trusts                   12.3%
Superannuation                       9.6%*1
Bonds(10-year)                       6.7%
Cash                                        5.3%
Housing                                   3.7%*2

NOTES: *1   11.2%over 25 YEARS    *2    8.0% GROSS,LESS 4.3%OUTGOINGS.
SOURCE: IBISWORLD

Saving are half the challenge.Where you pit them os the othe half. In developed countries saving money isn't as prevalent as it once was, despite an increasing number of baby boomers facing retirement after 2010. In australia we are dissaving ( spending more than we earn ), as are some other nations in the OECD. In 2006, our average saving as a proportion of our average household income of $101,400 was -0.6 per cent. This includes the superannuation levy of nine per cent. Without that our dissaving would be much worse ( New Zealand"s is -8 per cent of income).


More than 30 years ago (1975) our savings were 12.6 per cent of household income. While we may not see this level any time soon. It is likely that we will return to positive savings over the next year or so and go on to be a more thrifty nation.

What many Australians now realise is that the superannuation levy is not enough for a dignified retirement. It is generally accpected a retired household in 2010 would need around $1 million in investments and an average dwelling of around $500,000 (or 1.5 million in investments without a dwelling). This would give such a household around 45-50 per cent of the nation's then average household income.

Bolstering low saving with a move into more expensive homes and / or into investment dwellings- with massvie debt-became very popular over recent years  as a way of increasing future personal assets. The total household debt has now cimbed beyond $1 trillion in 2007, the vast bulk of which is mortgage debt. Only a small minority of the $1 trillion is in personal loans and credit card debt.

So is this a wise move? Looking at various investments and their returns over the past 15 years is illuminating.

Most will be shocked to find where housing sits: last. It suggests that our love affair with housing is probably misplaced; a case of an emotional investment rather than a good financial one.

Superannuation returns easily outplace dwellings. This is leading to many approaching retirees selling their houses before June 2007 to put the proceeds into their superannuation fund, to take advantage of the one-off opportunity from the treasurer to place up to a lillion dollars there and receive huge tax benefits.
ASSETS                                                   DEBTS
BILLION                                                   BILLION

$5520                                                      $990
($676,500 PER HOUSEHOLD)                 ($121,300 PER HOUSEHOLD)
Deposits
$408b
Shares
$414b
Other
$475b
Other property
4585b
Invest. housing
$629b
Super and life
$1126b
Housing
$1883b
SOURCE: Reserve Bank statistical tables B20; IBISWOELD
(Where so we salt away our savings and investments normally? The chart(above) show the situation as the end of the last fiscak year. Property accounted for more than half (56 per cent) the assets of Australia's eight million households. Most of this property was housing, either as owner-occupied or investment dwellings.

But it is the harder-working assets of shares and superannuation that give far superior returns, that are growing as a share of all our assets. In 1990 they accounted for 21 per cent of total assets; in 2007, more than 28 per cent. This trend will push property to below half all  household assets over the next decade.

We will become better savers- and more savvy investors.
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发表于 2007-6-3 13:45 |显示全部楼层
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这个文章提供的数字有意思,不过看起来好像官方报道。super 公司是不是永远都不会破产?房子的投资回报率在这么多种投资中是最小的。那么文中提到的cash,是不是直接存钱在银行都比投资买房强?

发表于 2007-6-3 13:59 |显示全部楼层
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如果有钱付全款,这样买房,所有的投资都是全款,和其它的投资一起比较的话,买房当然是最坏的投资手段,而且相差的很多。

但是有人买房,是因为利用贷款,这样也就在机会来的几年之内房子迅速脱手,贷款效应,看起来就赚很多了,而其它的时候都是在倒贴钱,等待机会来临。而买股票,存银行什么的,就是有多少钱干多少事情。
人情留一线,日后好相见

发表于 2007-6-3 14:09 |显示全部楼层
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那么如果靠贷款买房子,要赚钱的话,起码得有2处的房子,要不卖了一处还要有地方住.还有房子赚的是单利,但是SUPER,CASH,SHARES等赚的是复利.

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发表于 2007-6-3 17:28 |显示全部楼层
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This is a biased report. I can find a lot of reports with conflicting return figures. Even on ASX they have Shares just ahead of property. I think shares was only 0.2% ahead if I remember correctly.

And I have seen property investment biased reports quoting property outperform shares by 1% or more.

Please be careful with what you read and where the numbers come from.
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发表于 2007-6-3 18:24 |显示全部楼层
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Every investment type has its time in history - otherwise it wouldn't exist.
Timing is everything. All investment has cycles. So I never believe those comments about time in the market matters the most. If an asset class is over extended, sell and buy something else.
There is no magic asset class that will always be on top.
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发表于 2007-6-3 18:58 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 黑山老妖 于 2007-6-3 16:28 发表
This is a biased report. I can find a lot of reports with conflicting return figures. Even on ASX they have Shares just ahead of property. I think shares was only 0.2% ahead if I remember correctly ...

这个报道肯定不是房产公司搞的,呵呵.

发表于 2007-6-3 19:21 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 philgu 于 2007-6-3 17:24 发表
Every investment type has its time in history - otherwise it wouldn't exist.
Timing is everything. All investment has cycles. So I never believe those comments about time in the market matters the ...

那么说来,现在房子涨得那么凶,有房的该卖房了?所以才会有些人卖了投资房转投SUPER?

我的一个朋友的老公在国防部上班,属于那种除了上班就是搞搞飞机模型,没什么投资概念那种,20多就买了房开始供,前几年也供完了,现在房子值70多万了;还有一个,买卖了不下6,7处房子,属于那种赚钱就买,去年卖了NEW CASTLE的房子,到现在哈租着房子住,再加上房子涨的厉害,看样子以前赚的又只有贴回来了,买来卖去,到最后只好了税务局.
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发表于 2007-6-3 23:43 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 likespring 于 2007-6-3 18:21 发表

那么说来,现在房子涨得那么凶,有房的该卖房了?所以才会有些人卖了投资房转投SUPER?

我的一个朋友的老公在国防部上班,属于那种除了上班就是搞搞飞机模型,没什么投资概念那种,20多就买了房开始供,前几年也 ...


What I meant was every asset has its cycles. For example, if someone bought in Sydney's property at the peak, he woul have his equity going backwards in the last few years. Even someone bought at the trough, with a few lean years the average return each year is not that spetacular either.
From what I read and heard, there is only trickle of property sale in order to take advantage of $1m one off contribution to super. Nothing seriously drive the market as some so called experts predicted. Babyboomers are savy enough to see through the media frenzy.

发表于 2007-8-13 21:38 |显示全部楼层
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不该买房?

发表于 2007-9-13 15:41 |显示全部楼层
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看看房子20年前多少钱,现在多少钱就知道值不值得了~~~~买house可以说是值得的
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发表于 2007-9-13 15:50 |显示全部楼层
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其实关键的问题是,你有没有办法把不买房的钱进行投资并获得比房价上涨更多的利润

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买房可以kill time啊  不然你门spare time有什么做

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发表于 2007-9-18 00:16 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 不会游泳的鱼 于 2007-9-13 14:50 发表
其实关键的问题是,你有没有办法把不买房的钱进行投资并获得比房价上涨更多的利润



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