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[其他] 我在Ebay上卖的第一个镜头, 附验镜经 (自省篇, 续四) [复制链接]

发表于 2012-10-25 20:17 |显示全部楼层
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本帖最后由 antique 于 2012-10-26 08:07 编辑

上接: 澳洲 PayPal 和 AUSPOST 谁更烂? (声讨 PayPal 续三)
http://www.oursteps.com.au/bbs/f ... read&tid=571464

今天不声讨任何人, 检讨自己. 从seller的角度看Ebay.

我从AUPOST白拿了一个HASSEL(哈苏)头. 那个叫 "fishfarm" (Default User image Member id fishfarm ( 896Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
我刚查了一下, 这家伙已身败名裂了. 我不走运, 这家伙那时还是100%, 看来是从我这个倒霉蛋开始败落的.

摆在我面前的第一个抉择就是我要不要学这家伙? 我吃够了苦头, 对骗子深恶痛绝. 但现实问题是:
1. if I don't describe the defects, the lens might be sold at $850-1000

2. if I disclose all, the lens might be only $300-400 as repair parts

我左右为难, 仔细分析一下:

1. removable clean marks on rear element: slightly affect the value, particularly to professional users

2. missing screw: black and white, considerably affect the value to normal users because you can't buy such a screw from Bunnings, but slightly affect the value to repairman

3. UV filter: separately from lens itself, just no added value to the lens, but no impact on the lens itself

4. coating defects, particularly the size 4mmx1mm, no impact on quality of pictures, but significantly affect the value of lens

My target buyers: repairmen, or dealers

listing strategy:

1. 100% disclose from item 1 to item 3

2. Disclose item 4 in an ambiguous way.
I didn't say "coating defects" clearly and directly. Only narrative it in a plain language.
"a couple of white pin-head dots, I don't know what they are"
I didn't mention the 4mmx1mm defect in words, but a picture showing a little bit problem which was highlighted in a circle.
The descriptin only raise buyer's attetion to the very picture. I only said "I don't know what it is"

self estimated fair value: $600 more or less

Start price $500

Listing period: 7 days

"Majority of Ebay sellers only mentions possitive side of item, very few people tells you the negative side. I am a new seller, who wants to encourage a totally new listing style _ only list negative things:
1. ...
2. ...
3 ....
...."
then a number of pictures attached.


3天过去, 无人问津. 第四天, 来了一个, 问了一堆问题, 大部份非常专业. 一看不是一般拍片的.他说他不介意那些问题, 他有很多parts, lids (我留下了前后镜盖, 因为有无镜盖对这个头没什么大影响, 一般人不会去买的)
他最关心的是scratches, haze, fungus, and separation. I 100% assured him, no scratches, Haze, fungus. If any, return to me, I paid all postage, incl return.
Separation 是非常专业的问题, 我这菜鸟还真没这本事鉴别早早期的separation issue. 我实话实说.
隔了一天, sent me a long instruction how to identify the issue, why and impact on image quality ... and a detailed instruction to take pictures of this lens from what angle, how to take it in sequence. I followed his instruction and sent him those pictures. He told me that he could not exclude all possibilties. I told him that he could bid first, and I would send him as many pictures as he wanted before shipping. I was happy to cancel the transaction if he was not happy with those pictures, I said.

there was no bidding until last ten minutes when I was in a park outside, with no access to internet. I called one of my friends and asked him to bid my lens at $560 as a reserve price, which was outbid by the US repairman at last minute.

The final price is at $570, which is close to my estimate. This price is relatively fair to me.

In the following 3 weeks, I took pictures of this lens as per the instruction from the repairman. Finally he was satified because he was quite comfortable after I sent him 50 pictures. He gave greenlight for me to ship the lens with a special instruction of packaging (double cartons, lens lying 5cm away from any part of inner carton).

Becuase no defects can be hidden in front of a repairman, I was quite upset at that time. I sent him an email through Ebay and raised his attention to the white dots and those pictures.He replied that he was ok with them.

I was well prepared to receive his compliants after shipping and also ready to pay his return postage at anytime. The worse scenario is  that I pay $150 as postage (both ways), in return, the repairman can put a screw on the lens at least.

To be surprised, no message at all within next 2 weeks. He was supposed to have received the parcel. The 3rd week, the email was sent to me.

他花了3个小时修了99%的问题, 他还要送到他朋友处去校准快门. 幸亏他自己会修, 要不然Buyer一定不会放过我, 因为至少$175 for labour. (3小时在Sydney = 3x80=$240 Camera Service Centre) 他决定不退了, 也不留feedback.
他没提那1%的问题是什么, 我也没问. 估计是coating defects. 他说可以转卖 $800, 刚好保本. 只是做了我的钟点工.我提出赔他$100, 他没要.

在我给他拍照的三个星期里我学了很多本事. 我也知道了一些他的故事. 互联网和digital cameras 对他的生意影响是毁灭性的.他生意圈里的人, 全卖digital camera, 很少有做film camera了. 大部分人都不干了 (恨死了BH!). 他还硬撑着, 因为他会修.

我邀请他来Sydney 来开店, 他婉拒了. 他是座轮椅的, 来不方便. 尽管我告诉他澳洲对less mobile people很照顾, 他还是不愿离开熟悉的地方.

我骗了我的老师!

作为seller, 你诚实了, 买家出价时并不领情. 不诚实, 不可取, 我也知道没借口去骗人.做起来是不容易.

大家砸我吧.我既然写出来, 就准备给大家批的.







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发表于 2012-10-25 23:28 |显示全部楼层
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本帖最后由 ancient_fan 于 2012-10-25 23:31 编辑

我个人认为无所谓哪个角度看问题。ebay对于我们这些人只是一个买/卖东西的工具。

我个人观点。

买东西的时候,花1千买全新价1500的东西可以。花3000买原价6000的东西不可以。风险太大。

至于几十1-200的东西亏了就亏了。当做交学费了。

卖东西的时候要考虑到,你这东西有多大的市场。比如现在ebay listing的价格是$500, 要有$400卖出去的觉悟。我们没法和那些专业的卖家竞争的。他们的东西可以29天的listing不断的重复。知道有人上钩为止。我们卖东西求得是快。其他的都是次要的。

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发表于 2012-10-25 23:51 |显示全部楼层
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ancient_fan 发表于 2012-10-25 23:28
我个人认为无所谓哪个角度看问题。ebay对于我们这些人只是一个买/卖东西的工具。

我个人观点。

以平常心去做事.向兄台学习.

发表于 2012-10-25 23:52 |显示全部楼层
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专业买卖手,学习

发表于 2012-10-25 23:56 |显示全部楼层
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我觉得四眼兄Ebay经验肯定超级丰富.

发表于 2012-10-26 02:49 |显示全部楼层
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ancient_fan 发表于 2012-10-25 23:56
我觉得四眼兄Ebay经验肯定超级丰富.

我大部分只买很少卖东西的。
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发表于 2012-10-26 07:43 |显示全部楼层
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本帖最后由 antique 于 2012-10-26 12:02 编辑
BHS 发表于 2012-10-25 23:52
专业买卖手,学习


我不是专业的.有这念头, 但被我那师傅教训了一通.

在澳洲, 做不了. 市场太小, 邮费太贵.外加那不要脸的AUPOST破镜不保 (大家小心!).

我问AUPOST, staff答: "诈保的太多."

您信不?

以前, 有个EUROPEAN CAMERA, 现在已奄奄一息了, 在四眼兄的DWI冲击下.

我是个菜鸟, 又不会修, 干不过盟主的DWI.

就是调整一下烧火的结构而已.即便如此, 也只卖了二个哈苏头. (另一个是 C 50/4, 卖给了一个鬼婆. 她给老公的birthday gift. 俩鬼碰到我, 算他们走运; 欢腾的很.我不坑人.)

发表于 2012-10-26 09:48 |显示全部楼层
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澳洲市场还是很大, 平均财富世界前列, 只是传统商店的market share 逐渐转移到网店.

发表于 2012-10-26 11:34 |显示全部楼层
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就二手摄影器材市场看,感觉澳洲还不如人口只有悉尼多的新加坡。市场大小不光是平均财富,人口多少,对商品的需求程度才是关键

发表于 2012-10-26 13:07 |显示全部楼层
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本帖最后由 antique 于 2012-10-26 20:02 编辑
zzoz 发表于 2012-10-26 11:34
就二手摄影器材市场看,感觉澳洲还不如人口只有悉尼多的新加坡。市场大小不光是平均财富,人口多少,对商品 ...


The market of Sports products is much bigger than that of photography.

发表于 2012-10-26 14:44 |显示全部楼层
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antique 发表于 2012-10-26 13:07
Sports products are much bigger than photography.

土澳农民多,文艺青年少
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发表于 2012-10-26 19:57 |显示全部楼层
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cxjzhj 发表于 2012-10-26 14:44
土澳农民多,文艺青年少

所言极是。我们都是elite.

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