各位，搞.net的同志。M$的各种证书，需要搞几个么？

澳贼

如题。

runxi328

nice to have, but not essential.

it helps u stand out if there are lots of competitions and u perform as good as other candidates.

good luck!!

runxi328

In addition, employees with ms qualifications also help business acquire/maintain ms gold certificate partner.

In this sense, employer tend to hire people with formal ms qualifications.

澳贼

你都弄了那几个certificates?

runxi328

原帖由 澳贼 于 2010-3-9 11:25 发表
你都弄了那几个certificates?

i don't have time for it. but will do. my boss is very keen to this kind of certificates

澳贼

原帖由 runxi328 于 2010-3-9 11:35 发表


i don't have time for it. but will do. my boss is very keen to this kind of certificates

好，咱们组成互助小组吧

nuptwg

hi, I am a recent graduate.. which certificates could be considered as .NET related?

澳贼

原帖由 nuptwg 于 2010-3-9 12:28 发表
hi, I am a recent graduate.. which certificates could be considered as .NET related?

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/certification/cert-vstudio.aspx

runxi328

原帖由 澳贼 于 2010-3-9 12:15 发表


好，咱们组成互助小组吧

ok,no prob~~

我几年前对.net技术本身还比较感兴趣，最近这几年主要是搞design & db方面的东西，对.net纯技术层面的东西不是很感冒了。

毕竟对web来说，.net这一层也就是占到40%的比例，而且我们还在努力让它变薄。

可能是从1.1升上来的弊端吧，我觉得。

[ 本帖最后由 runxi328 于 2010-3-9 12:45 编辑 ]

nuptwg

可以直接考么?还是都要花钱培训?

runxi328

原帖由 nuptwg 于 2010-3-9 21:50 发表
可以直接考么?还是都要花钱培训?

it's totally ok u can sit in exam straight away.

good luck!!

澳贼

原帖由 runxi328 于 2010-3-10 09:34 发表


it's totally ok u can sit in exam straight away.

good luck!!

if he got braindump, LOL

dadumile

互助小组好， 我也正在搞.net, 要学好多东东。

中间人

我觉得考证书除了帮助你复习概念，其本身没啥用了。面试一定level的职位，你一定会被问到相关level的问题，回答得上来人家才要你。

runxi328

原帖由 澳贼 于 2010-3-10 09:56 发表


if he got braindump, LOL

brainwash will do as well  

@nuptwg

better do some reading(books,articles,blogs,msdn..etc) before u actually take the exam.

i'm not expert of this exam,don't ask me how.

but one of my colleagues who was junior back then passed this exam with flying colors.

it shouldn't be difficult, assumably.

蓝马

原帖由 runxi328 于 2010-3-9 12:42 发表


ok,no prob~~

我几年前对.net技术本身还比较感兴趣，最近这几年主要是搞design & db方面的东西，对.net纯技术层面的东西不是很感冒了。

毕竟对web来说，.net这一层也就是占到40%的比例，而且我们还在努力让 ...

web都用啥啊？

runxi328

@蓝马

"web都用啥啊？"--can u elaborate ur question?

蓝马

“毕竟对web来说，.net这一层也就是占到40%的比例”。所以其它都是什么？

runxi328

for our product,其他的有:

1. frontend -- html/css/javascript/jquery/ajax call (if i may put ajax call into frontend stuff). 30%
2. backend -- .net, we are trying to make this layer as thin as possible. 40% or less
3. database -- we implement majority of logic on db side using SP. 30% or more

As this product is pretty much db driven one, so we put a lot efforts into db side (complex business logic) and frontend (reduce its traffic/round trips).

products can differ based on nature of product and the best patterns and practice and .net version.

flyspirit

MCTS could be the first certificate to get.

It's a good starting point. The breadth of the test is good enough.

However, the certificate doesn't ensure you have the insight of .NET since the lack of depth. It has to be acquired through project

中间人

40%的.net，这么说EF或者Ling to sql不打算用了？

澳贼

原帖由 flyspirit 于 2010-3-10 13:28 发表
MCTS could be the first certificate to get.

It's a good starting point. The breadth of the test is good enough.

However, the certificate doesn't ensure you have the insight of .NET since the lac ...

完全同意

runxi328

原帖由 中间人 于 2010-3-10 14:18 发表
40%的.net，这么说EF或者Ling to sql不打算用了？

ER mapping tools? we have been using one.

i'm not fan of ling to sql

澳贼

原帖由 中间人 于 2010-3-10 10:10 发表
我觉得考证书除了帮助你复习概念，其本身没啥用了。面试一定level的职位，你一定会被问到相关level的问题，回答得上来人家才要你。

经验人士！

澳贼

原帖由 runxi328 于 2010-3-10 13:11 发表
for our product,其他的有:

1. frontend -- html/css/javascript/jquery/ajax call (if i may put ajax call into frontend stuff). 30%
2. backend -- .net, we are trying to make this layer as thin as poss ...

这种量化似乎不太合理。应该根据项目的具体要求划分吧

澳贼

原帖由 runxi328 于 2010-3-10 14:35 发表


ER mapping tools? we have been using one.

i'm not fan of ling to sql

linq to sql??

runxi328

原帖由 澳贼 于 2010-3-10 14:36 发表


这种量化似乎不太合理。应该根据项目的具体要求划分吧

yes, as i said, "products can differ based on nature of product and the best patterns and practice and .net version."

runxi328

原帖由 澳贼 于 2010-3-10 14:38 发表


linq to sql??

thx for rectification

中间人

EF = entity framework

对于轻量级的数据库开发，Linq to sql相比sql语句，优势很明显。

runxi328

原帖由 中间人 于 2010-3-10 15:09 发表


Linq to sql相比sql语句，优势很明显。

i'm sure linq to sql is handy, however lazy loading has been bad mouthed by .net community.

it's unfortunate that linq (to sql) have been abused in lots of projects. some businesses don't even have a single sp in their db and they are so proud of this approach. i won't comment on it.

i assume by "sql语句", u r referring to as "ad hoc sql statement" or "dynamic sql"? we don't do that.

we stick to the sp approach.