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[信息讨论] 谢国忠:中国将出惊天大事 [复制链接]

发表于 2008-11-27 21:02 |显示全部楼层
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主持人:ANDY你好,谈到你,人们都联想到乌鸦嘴,不过历来你的预言基本都是对的,你在接受采访时说中国A股不过是当官的玩具而已,在国内引起强烈反响,甚至骂你卖国贼的网友们都反戈拥护你,是否这也算一次预言?另外你的每次发言是不是都配合你所服务的公司利益?

  谢国忠:这个问题我已经说过好几次了,我一个书生怎么卖国呢?我没有东西去卖,我又不是当官的,大家的投资失误我理解,那不是我决定的,投资是自己的事情,赔钱怎么能怪别人呢?一个大人跟孩子玩游戏,吃亏的肯定是那个孩子,股票就是这个道理,而我们孩子的家长又偏偏不保护孩子,这是最可悲的。我呼吁普通老百姓远离股市,可没人听,都想发财,你自己什么水平都不知道还与狼共舞,信息都不对称,你进去就是跟人送钱花的,不仅华尔街贪婪,我们老百姓也贪婪。

我还是说投资是自己的事情,不管公司也好个人也好,你自己的钱,还是自己保管好,只相信自己。如果自己都不相信了,最好什么都不做,跟着舆论跑的话越做越赔。A股目前就是很荒唐的东西,你自己也知道的,不是说我说就是那个样子,本来就是那个样子,网络说点击量过亿,我认为不是很成熟的事情,你应该相信自己的判断。投资也要这样。

  主持人:美国这次离咱们近了,据说奥白马的弟媳,就是深圳的,我们也算有了国际亲戚了,不知道我们寄予希望的奥巴马能否给国内带来好运呢?历来我们是朝里有人好做官,一人得道鸡犬升天,我们知道,奥巴马上台会重新调整经济思路,这样的变革对中国是好事还是坏事?是机遇还是挑战?

  谢国忠:奥巴马是美国人民选出的总统,是美国民意的代表,他必须为选民负责,人民能让他上台,就能让他下台,这是民主国家的本质,权利不能乱用,权利是受监督的。奥巴马是美国利益的代表,他只考虑美国利益,不管他是黑人也好,非洲裔也好,他就是美国人,美国选民把信任给了他,他就要履行承诺,与其他无关。即便是奥巴马的爸爸,他也不敢给他半点公权力的好处,更不用说弟媳的国家了。

不过,奥巴马会认真考虑美中关系的,目前他有求于咱们。美国的国家政策是连贯的,布什政府出现问题,现在轮到民主党收拾残局而已,他的国家智慧是靠智囊集团支撑的,不是谁都可以乱该的。这一点跟国内是区别很大的。他嘴上说的很漂亮,他的演讲很有蛊惑力,但他骨子里只有一条信仰,那就是美国利益高于一切。奥巴马面临的困难是前所未有的,他解决问题的工具是有限的,美国人也不是一条心的,就看共和党怎么配合他的政策。

另外,那些国际资本家的要求他也不能疏忽。反正他们的信仰也好,信念也好,就是赚钱,有一个持续的赚钱环境。国家出台政策要考虑资本家的感受,那些国际资本家太厉害了,我感觉奥巴马是被绑架了,或者说自讨苦吃。中国的问题是官问题,这个谁都知道,你自己的事情寄托在别人身上,本来就不应该,该干什么就干什么,谈机遇和挑战都是无聊,你干好自己的事情不就行了吗?你自己都不努力,别人谁也帮不了你的忙。

现在国内是千方百计转移视线,美国经济再不行,他也是世界上唯一超级大国,美国经济再困难,他的汇率一直在升,全世界聪明人很多,都选择美元避险,这就是道理了。我们不能指望明天我们去管理这个世界,我们没有这个能力,你看我们的企业,再看看美国的企业,不就明白了吗?你不赚钱是不行的,赚钱的能力一定要长远,国家才能强大。光嘴上那个说是靠不住了,还是用钱来说话。美国困难主要是花钱太多造成的。我们的困难是不赚钱造成的。

  主持人:希拉里铁定是国务卿,财政部长是盖特纳,好像国防部长要选鲍威尔,劳工部长还没有合适人选,巴菲特拒绝财长的位置,这样的政府组阁,有点豪华,也有点时尚,这样的政府能给世界带来什么新鲜空气?

  谢国忠:时尚是肯定的,选民本来就选了一个比较酷的总统嘛。形势很糟糕。过惯了富日子的人过不了穷日子。我认为农民是最苦的,可农民都认为自己不穷,相反城市人都觉得自己是穷人,不工作享受国家补贴的低保,你给他钱越多,他越不工作,反过来越骂你,这很有意思。美国的情况大体跟我们城市的情况差不多,都是有钱的后遗症。

  美国人很单纯,就是只考虑自己的利益。人家获取利益是在制度透明之上的,是受监管的,不像我们的事情,国家象一个人的家庭一样,我们都给他们打工,只许听不许说。

  希拉里会延续克林顿政府的经济政策,毕竟这些成功的经验不需要重新学习,不过会有所调整。全世界都会陷于民族保护主义的怪圈中,这也是没有办法的办法,就看谁能挺了。美国会把拯救中小企业当成大事,先解决好就业问题,稳定好了收入,再解决其他问题。上次克林顿把日本经济退后10年,小心这次他们试图拿中国垫背。

  中国自己的经济本来汽车业.房地产.外贸就占到GDP的50%,现在的经济状况大家都看到了,汽车和房地产都是花了过头的钱,靠外贸赚钱养活,外贸有问题,就会有不良连锁反应,就会影响一代人。

  这些美国的领导人,都会把我们的困难当成他们讨价还价的时候,都会钻你的孔子,这是他们工作的实质,这届民主党的使命就是趁火打劫,使美国继续有钱,世界更加贫穷。

  外贸是不行了,人家也想让你不行,现在要想到最倒霉的事情。世界加工厂这个庞大的引擎会慢慢熄火的,产业会向更贫困的国家转移。我们是富了,你心里老担心经济,就说明你还不行,什么时候借钱象花自己的了,国家和国民就是贵族了。

  主持人:照你的说法,世界末日到了(呵呵呵…)节目最好,请你给观众预测一下,2009年的经济情况,2006年末我们做节目的时候你预言过2008年的情况,回头感觉你还是有眼光的,不过我们都希望听到你预言的是一个好消息,好吗?

  谢国忠:我们都要为自己的事情负责,今天的结果都是昨天的报应。灯红酒绿的时候你不反思所作所为,现在不接受结果是不负责任的。

  世界经济还是要看美国的,他占世界经济总量的1/6,美国有问题,谁都有麻烦,就看谁离地震源最近了。离着越近,伤害越大,这是常识。

  奥巴马选择希拉里作为国务卿,我认为他已经是牌位了,美国实际是希拉里时代了,不会是副总统时代,也不会是鲍威尔时代,总之,人类历史上第一次出现美国的贫民黑人总统,也是这个时代的骄傲了,民意的自豪,历史记住了奥巴马,已经不错了,别指望他有作为,那很困难,不是说不可能。

  克林顿30岁当州长,奥巴马30岁我不知道他在干什么。有一点肯定,现在的美国是克林顿政策的再翻版,美国朋友开玩笑说,克林顿拉链门让希拉里毫无颜面,这次希拉里翻身了,会不会也回敬他一个拉链门?我说就看奥巴马的魅力了,如果奥巴马有这个魅力,那么世界得救了。

  2009年,世界很困难,老百姓会很苦,这个大家都知道,不用说都明白。不确定的是国家的政策太随意,经济总是政治的影子,重大事情即将发生,普通百姓一定看好自己的钱。

  主持人:时间有限,不得不再问一句:什么重大事情即将发生?

  谢国忠:一是有钱人整合国家资源。想想苏联的卢布成了废纸是另一个问题。

  主持人:谢谢Andy,谢谢你给了我们一个有灵感的夜晚,欢迎你经到我们这里做客。谢谢。

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发表于 2008-11-27 21:08 |显示全部楼层
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The Natural Bottom 不能承受之轻  / 謝國忠

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The hyped G-20 Summit in Washington disappointed. It removed the last hope for a coordinated global approach to handling the financial and economic crisis that is haunting the global economy. The result speaks volumes about the current crop of leaders around the world and the antiquated power structure that governs the global economy. The rapid contraction of the global economy will likely continue into the first quarter of 2009. The second quarter of 2009 may still see some contraction. The global economy may stabilize in the third quarter of 2009, but battered and directionless.

First, I have a few good things to say about the Summit. By bringing the largest and wealthiest emerging economies, the world is recognizing that any future structure for governing the global economy must include them. The G-7 has looked decidedly out of date during the Crisis. They are supposed to represent the OECD or developed block that still account for 70% of the global economy. But this group accounts for less growth than developing countries in the past five years in real and nominal terms. Equally important, emerging economies hold most of the foreign exchange reserves. How to deploy the money would be the key to solving this crisis. The Summit is the beginning of ditching G-7. What to replace it hasn't jelled.

G-20 looks too big to be effective in making decisions. It should be cut down by half. From the OECD side, the US, the UK, France, Germany, and Japan can represent the block effectively. From the developing economy block, the four BRIC countries plus Saudi Arabia can represent it effectively. Saudi Arabia can represent the interest of OPEC countries. France and Germany can represent the euro-zone. G-10 may be small enough for effective decision making. However, any effective global body for decision making would come too late for tackling the current crisis.

Second, the Summit gave verbal commitments to keeping national borders open to trade and investment. This is reassuring that the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of the 1930s would not resurface to cause another Great Depression. Knowing what happened seven decades ago, the big economies like the US, Europe, Japan, and China are unlikely to repeat the same mistakes. Further, the role of multinationals has changed the political calculation over free trade. Seventy years ago, the locations of production and ownership were mostly identical. Hence, both rich and poor benefited initially from blocking imports. As others retaliate, everyone eventually became worse off. Most trade in the world is between emerging and developed economies done by multinationals based in the developed economies. Blocking imports would immediately hurt capital in rich countries. Capital and labor wouldn't agree on protectionism in developed countries even not taking into consideration of retaliation by other countries.

The verbal commitments, however, don't rule out isolated protectionist measures that aim mostly at China. Roughly half of the anti-dumping measures in the world are aimed at China. The US just imposed additional safety requirements on children's products from China, and the EU 60% tariff on candles and 50% tariff on non-alloy steel wire products from China. These measures happened at the same time as the G-20 promised to maintain free trade. Hopefully, these measures don't signify a new direction contrary to the G-20 statement.

Despite the positive developments, the Summit largely failed to satisfy market expectations. On the crucial issue of stabilizing the global economy, it failed to agree on a coordinated program on fiscal stimulus. Essentially, each country is left to consider its best option. The benefit from fiscal stimulus in the era of globalization can leak out through trade. For a small open economy, fiscal stimulus doesn't work at all. For large economies like China and the US most of the benefits from fiscal stimulus can stay at home. When each economy decides on how much to stimulate, it will do less than optimal as the benefits don't all stay at home. When the global economy is contracting like now, the leakage from one's fiscal stimulus is very large. Hence, few economies are incentivized to stimulate. What works is for the global community to coordinate their stimulus. Unfortunately, the G-20 couldn't do it.

In contrast, monetary stimulus has a smaller tendency to leak out. Cutting interest rate tends to weaken one's currency, which protects the benefit from monetary stimulus at home. The main reason that most countries rely on monetary stimulus is that they are already running large fiscal deficits and don't want to encounter political resistance for more debt issuance. Monetary stimulus seems to incur no cost at first glance. As I have argued in this page before. Cutting interest rates doesn't stimulate demand, as asset deflation has destroyed the equity base for households or businesses to borrow. It merely makes it easier for banks to carry bad assets through lower carrying costs, lessening the pressure for selling bad assets and stretching the adjustment process. The negative effects of monetary stimulus may not be immediate but can surface in future. The bubbles under the Greenspan years originate from his penchant for monetary stimulus. The consequences are ravaging the global economy today.

The current wave of monetary stimulus lays the ground for inflation in the coming years, I believe. The deflationary effects from the asset deflation are temporary. They shift the demand curve downwards and decrease inflationary pressure. However, as businesses cut production in response to lower profitability, the demand weakness is no longer deflationary. The increased money supplies that are temporarily hoarded within banks could release through unexpected channels. Another wave of commodity inflation or wage increase through labor union demand could release the inflationary impact of the monetary growth.

A better and more equitable way to print money is to distribute cash among people evenly. Some households and businesses borrowed too much during the bubble. There are three ways out: (1) working it off overtime like in Japan, (2) bankruptcies like the US in 1930s, and (3) inflation like Germany in 1920s. The United States has not thought through which way it is going. It will not follow Japan's path. I don't think Americans will stick to their mortgages under a negative equity situation. It is not American culture. It would be either bankruptcy or inflation. The Fed is staving off bankruptcies by bailing out banks and increasingly non-financial businesses. So it is heading to an inflation solution.

In the 1920s German businesses took on too much debt during the First World War. They pushed its central bank towards an inflation solution, which Keynes erroneously blamed on the payments to the World War I victors. The chaotic process, probably on purpose to hide the central bank's true intentions, led to hyperinflation. The resulting chaos paved the way for the NAZI party to rise to power. In contrast, the US's willingness to accept bankruptcies pushed the country towards institution building, which laid the foundation for a gigantic US economy and its superpower status. History is not kind to the inflation approach.

For the inflation approach to work, it needs to be transparent and equitable. A central bank should announce how much money it prints and distributes it evenly among the population. The money growth shifts up inflation expectation immediately. All the prices of goods and services and wages will likely move up quickly to reflect the new reality. The real debt burden falls in line with the inflation. If the central bank is credible on its printing target, inflation will slow quickly after the initially spurt.

I wouldn't count on such a rational approach to debt write-off. Politics won't allow it. Instead, all the central banks in the world will cut interest rates and, as interest rates are close to zero, accept low quality assets for lending to banks, similar to what the Bank of Japan did. The inflationary impact of the monetary growth would be temporarily suppressed by weak demand and banks' inability to lend. When the banks can lend again, inflation will surge.

The leadership failure that is so apparent now all over the world has a generational twist to it. The baby boomers that were born after World War II pretty much run all the major economies in the world in governments and big companies. They have lived during extraordinary prosperity. The past recessions, even the stagflation during the 1970s, were quite mild by historical standards. In particular, the past two decades since the Berlin Wall fell were extraordinarily prosperous. The leaders that rose during this period were all very optimistic. Unfortunately, optimistic people are not the smartest people. Indeed, optimistic people are usually not very smart. But they rise to the top during prolonged prosperity that rewards optimism. When the catastrophe arrives, they are not equipped to handle it. As the crisis discredits them, a new generation of leaders, hopefully smarter, will rise to the top, and the right decisions are made. Hence, the solution to this crisis may require a leadership change. The US took the first step. Others may follow over the next 12-18 months. The political process suggests that the solution to the crisis will take time.

The saddest thing about the Summit was how France and Japan dominated the limelight. The former championed a global super regulator. The later doled out $100 billion for the IMF. France and Japan are great countries with wonderful cultures. But, they represent the past, not the future. Their tendencies are to enforce equal outcome rather than opportunity. China and the US are much more in tone with the future. The United States is not strong enough to run the world on its own. An alliance between China and the US could. Unfortunately, neither country is embracing the idea.

What will happen and what should happen are usually quite different. I have mentioned three elements on what would likely unfold on policy front: (1) cutting interest rates too much and degrading central bank balance sheets, (2) stimulating fiscally too little, and (3) political changes over next 12-18 months. On the economic front, the rapid contraction of the global economy will continue into the first quarter of 2009. The second quarter of 2009 will probably see much slower contraction. Stability may return by the third quarter of 2009. While economic stability may return in the foreseeable future, meaningful growth is not visible yet. The growth driver for the global economy-the US's consumption and China's factory building is unhinged and can't be put together. The world will struggle to find a new growth engine.

Financial markets will continue to fluctuate wildly over the next three months. When one falls off a cliff, it is most frightening during the fall. One kicks, screams, and fantasizes the pain when hitting the ground. When one hits the ground, it may not be as bad as imagined. It could be a few broken ribs or a concussion. Financial markets are now in the falling mode. In the first half of 2009, when the global contraction slows or stops, the markets will probably calm down. Bottoming, however, is different from the beginning of a bull market. Only a new growth cycle can start a new bull market.

The dollar and government bonds have performed well during the recent turmoil. The flight to safe havens has supported both. The unwinding of speculative positions in the emerging economies and commodities has further supported the dollar. The dollar has been a funding currency for such positions. The unwinding increases demand for the dollar. However, the factors that support both asset classes are technical and temporary. Fundamentals are not good for either. Some argue that Japanese yen performed very well after its bubble burst in early 1990s and the dollar could follow the same path. The comparison doesn't work. Japan's bubble was funded by local capital. When it burst, domestic demand decreased and trade surplus bloomed. Without significant domestic demand for foreign assets, demand for yen increased with asset deflation. Yen only came down when foreigners borrowed yen to speculate in other assets.

The US's bubble was funded by foreign capital. As the bubble bursts, foreign demand for the US assets will decline. The bursting bubble decreases the US domestic demand and, hence, the need for foreign capital. But, the US is ramping up fiscal stimulus much quicker than Japan, which offsets the demand reduction from asset deflation. The position for the dollar now is considerably worse than for yen fifteen years ago. The supply of foreign capital will probably decline quicker than its need for it. As other economies engage in fiscal stimulus, their surplus capital will drop. The dollar may continue to appreciate in the next two to three months. It may weaken sharply afterwards when the carry trades are all unwound.

Government bonds may be another bubble that will burst soon. Even though many analysts are talking about deflation, inflation readings in the US, the UK, and Europe are still quite high. Inflation is a lagging variable and could drop further from here. Still, the high prices for government bonds cannot be justified on the likely inflation scenario in the next few years. Further, fiscal stimulus will increase the supplies of government bonds dramatically in the coming year. Globally, the increase could be over $3-4 trillion. Until growth comes back, the increased supply may remain. Bonds could slip into a big bear market in 2009 like stocks in 2008.

I remain positive on gold and energy. While the global economy is contracting rapidly, energy prices are undershooting. The longer term story for energy remains positive. China and India's development will greatly increase energy demand for the next decade. The supplies, especially oil, won't be able to keep up. All the big oil companies report that their major production fields are declining in yield. The positive story for energy will change when nuclear power has grown sufficiently to replace fossil fuel. That will probably take two decades or longer.

Gold is a substitute for currency. As central banks around the world expand their balance sheets rapidly, gold should do well. The unwinding of carry trades is negative for it. As dollar appreciates with the unwinding of carry trades, gold has declined in line with dollar's rise. When the unwinding is done and dollar begins depreciate, gold should resume its bullish trend. I think gold could make new highs in 2009. The bull story for gold will end quicker than for energy. When central banks begin to raise interest rates, possibly in 2010 in response to rising inflation, gold may slip into a bear market. For now, gold still looks bullish.

发表于 2008-11-27 21:09 |显示全部楼层
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G20峰会未能达成一个全球协调性的财政刺激计划;化解危机的最后一点希望破灭

  被大肆炒作的G20华盛顿峰会结果令人失望。这场峰会,破灭了全球协作化解当前困扰全球的金融和经济危机的最后希望。结果本身也说明了很多问题,让我们更理解这些世界领导人如何行事,以及全球经济管理的权力结构有多过时。

G20之“功”
  首先,我想说一下这次峰会好的方面。这场峰会聚集了那些最大、最富有的新兴市场经济体,也使世界认识到,无论未来全球经济管理的结构如何,都应接纳这些国家。G7在这场危机中显得陈腐已无疑问,它们代表的是经济合作与发展组织(OECD),也就是占世界经济总量70%的发达国家阵营。但在过去五年中,发达国家对世界经济增长的贡献,不管是名义值还是真实值,都比不上发展中国家。同样重要的是,新兴市场经济持有了大部分外汇储备。如何处置这些钱,将是解决这场危机的关键。这场峰会是G7衰落的开始,但是,用什么取而代之,还是未知数。
  要进行有效的决策,G20看来是太大了,应该缩减一半。OECD一方,美国、英国、法国、德国和日本就可有效代表;发展中国家一方,“金砖四国”(中国、印度、巴西、俄罗斯),加上沙特阿拉伯,足矣。其中,沙特阿拉伯可以代表欧佩克国家的利益,法国和德国可以代表欧元区。这样,G10就不会太大,才能有效地决策。不过,任何全球性实体,决策再有效,要解决这场危机也来不及了。
  第二,峰会上各国作出了口头承诺,要对贸易和投资保持国门开放。这就杜绝了上世纪30年代的《斯姆特-霍利关税法》(Smoot-Hawley Tariffs)的死灰复燃,避免了第二场大萧条。有了70年前的经验教训,美国、欧洲、日本、中国等几个大经济体应该都不会重蹈覆辙。而且,跨国企业的角色也让自由贸易的政治算计发生了改变。70年前,生产场所和公司所有权基本上属于同一国,所以,不管是富国还是穷国,一开始都会因阻碍进口而获益。当别国开始报复时,每个国家的境况最后都会变糟。现在,大部分世界贸易都发生在新兴市场和发达经济体之间,通过发达经济体的跨国公司进行。阻碍进口就直接损害了富国资本的利益。发达国家的资方和劳方都不会同意实行保护主义,即便是不考虑他国的报复行为。
  然而,这些口头协议,并不能排除单边贸易保护的可能性,且这些贸易保护大部分是针对中国的。全世界的反倾销中约有一半都针对中国。美国刚刚对产自中国的儿童产品施加了额外的安全要求,欧盟对中国产的蜡烛征收60%的关税,对非合金钢丝产品征收50%的关税。而这些,都发生在G20承诺自由贸易的同时。希望这些举措只是个别现象,未来各国对待贸易的态度不会与G20《声明》大相径庭。

G20之未完成任务
  虽然有这些积极的成绩,但这场峰会很大程度上没能满足市场的期望。在稳定全球经济这个关键问题上,它没能达成一个协调性的财政刺激计划,基本上还是让每个国家各作各的选择。
  全球化的时代,财政刺激的利益可能会由于贸易而外溢。对一个开放型小国经济而言,财政刺激计划根本不起作用。但是对于中国、美国这样的大国,财政刺激的大多数利益则可以留在国内。于是,各国单独决定刺激计划的规模时,它们都会选择略小于最优规模的刺激计划,因为刺激计划的利益不会全部留在国内。在目前全球经济收缩情况下,一国财政刺激的外溢效应会非常大,所以,很少有国家去实行刺激计划。只有全球经济体的刺激计划得以协调,才可能发挥功效。不幸的是,G20没有做到。
  相反,货币刺激不太会产生外溢效应。减息可能使一国货币走弱,但同时也保护了本国货币刺激政策的收益。之所以大部分国家都依赖货币刺激政策,主要是因为它们的财政赤字已经很大了,不想再惹上增发债券的政治抵制。货币刺激乍一看好像没有什么成本,但如我在前文中所说,减息不能刺激需求,因为资产缩水损害了家庭或企业进行借贷的基础,它的作用仅仅是通过降低持有成本,使银行处理坏账变得容易,并减轻了银行出售不良资产的压力,延长了调整时间。货币刺激的负面作用可能不会立即显现,但将来可能浮出水面。格林斯潘年代的那些泡沫正来自他对货币刺激的嗜好,后果就是今天惨遭蹂躏的全球经济。
  我相信,目前这股货币刺激政策的浪潮,会为未来几年通货膨胀培育土壤。资产缩水的通缩效应应该只是暂时的,其使需求曲线向下平移,并减轻了通胀压力。然而,随着企业利润降低、削减生产,需求疲弱导致的通缩效应就会不复存在。货币供给增加后,会暂时存在银行里,但这些货币可能通过意想不到的渠道释放出来。大宗商品进入下一轮涨价周期,或是工会要求工资上涨时,货币供给增长的通胀效应就会释放出来。
  如果要“印钞票”,一个更好也更为公平的方式就是向所有居民等额发放现金。在泡沫时代,许多家庭和企业都借贷过度。现在有三种方式解决问题:(1)用时间来逐渐化解,像日本;(2)企业破产,像20世纪30年代的美国;(3)高通胀,像20世纪20年代的德国。美国还没想清楚自己要走哪条路,但它肯定不会走日本那条路。我认为,在这样一个负资产(贷款额高于抵押品当前市值)的时代,美国人不会坚持偿付房供,这不是美国人的文化。所以,美国要么让大批家庭和企业破产,要么忍受高通胀。美联储现在要避免大批破产,就只能不断救援银行和越来越多的非金融企业。因此,它正离高通胀越来越近。
  20世纪20年代,德国企业在“一战”后举债过度,随后就对德国央行施压,迫使其采取通胀方法解决问题。混乱的过程最终导致了超级通货膨胀。这种混乱的结果为纳粹最终掌权铺就了道路。相反,当时的美国选择了接受破产,这也将其推向了体制建设之路,这样才有了今天庞大的美国经济及其超级大国的地位。通胀之路无法赢得历史的青睐。
  如果用通胀解决问题,政策需要透明和公平。央行应该公告它发行了多少货币并将货币均匀发给国民。货币增长会立即推高人们的通胀预期。商品、服务价格以及工资将快速上行,实际的债务负担也会随着通胀上升而减轻。如果央行货币政策是可信的,通胀在前期爆发后将会迅速回落。
  但是,我不指望央行采取这种合理的方法削减债务,政治规则不允许它发生。取而代之的是,全球央行将降低利率。当利率接近于零,央行就可以接受低质量的资产并向银行发放信贷,这正如当年日本央行的做法。货币增长的通胀效应暂时会被疲弱的需求和银行放贷能力缺乏所掩盖。一旦银行放贷能力恢复,通胀将会再度恶化。 
  G20峰会最令人失望的是,法国和日本成为焦点。前者试图成为“全球超级总管”,后者向IMF救济了1000亿美元。法国和日本都是有璀璨文化的伟大国家,但是,它们仅代表过去而非未来,它们倾向于结果公平而非创造机会。未来,中国和美国有更多共同的利益。美国已无力独自撑起全球经济,如果它与中国联手则可以做到这点。遗憾的是,两个国家都没有这种想法。
美元泡沫难为继
  金融市场在未来三个月中将继续剧烈震荡。当人从悬崖上跌落时,最可怕的时刻莫过于坠落过程,他挣扎、尖叫,幻想落地时的痛苦。但真的落地之后,也许并没有想象中的那么可怕,也许仅仅是折了几根肋骨或是脑震荡而已。金融市场目前就处于坠落过程中,在2009年上半年,当全球经济收缩放缓或停止后,市场才可能平静下来。当然,平静之后并不意味着牛市的开始,只有一轮新的增长才能启动新的牛市。
  在近期的市场震荡中,美元和国债表现不错,避险情绪的高涨支持二者走强,新兴经济体和商品期货投机头寸的减少也为美元提供了支撑——作为结算货币,这种头寸的减少增加了美元的需求。但是,这些支撑因素仅是技术性、暂时的,基本面并没有彻底好转。某些人认为,日元在20世纪90年代日本经济泡沫破灭之后依然表现良好,美元也会出现同样的情况。但实际上,这种对比并不成立。
  日本的泡沫是由本国资本支撑的。当泡沫破灭,国内需求减少,贸易盈余增加。因为日本居民对外国资产需求不振,日元的需求增加,这支持了日元走强。
  美国的泡沫是由外国资本支撑的。当泡沫破灭,外国对美国资产需求下滑,同时,破裂的泡沫也抑制了美国国内的需求,从而减少对外国资本的需求。但美国在制定财政刺激计划速度上快于日本,这冲抵了由于资产缩水所引起的需求减少。美元目前的状况要比15年前日元的状况更加糟糕,外国资本的供给也许比需求下降更快。因为其他经济体实施财政刺激计划,其盈余资本将减少。美元在未来两到三个月中可能会继续升值,但当息差交易结束后,美元可能会急剧贬值。
  国债也许是另一个即将破灭的泡沫。虽然很多分析师都在谈论通缩,但是在美国、英国和欧洲,通胀率仍然相当高,未来几年可能出现的通胀情景无法合理解释国债的高价。另外,财政刺激计划也会在明年大幅增加国债的发行量。从全球来看,这一数字可能会达到3万亿到4万亿美元。在经济真正回稳之前,国债的供应很难减少。这意味着,债券市场可能在2009年也步入一个大熊市,正如股票市场在2008年的情况。
  我仍然看多黄金和能源。虽然全球经济快速收缩,能源价格也大幅走跌,长期来看,能源价格仍然前景良好。未来十年中,中国和印度的发展会大大增加能源需求。能源供应,特别是原油,将很难跟上需求的步伐。因为所有大型石油公司主要产油区的产量都在下滑。只有当核能发展到足以替代生物燃料的时候,石油价格的神话才可能被打破,但这可能要20年时间甚至更久。
  黄金作为货币的一种替代品,在全球央行都在扩张资产负债表之际,将表现良好。息差交易的平仓是一个负面因素,因为美元会伴随息差交易的平仓而升值,而黄金则会伴随美元升值而贬值。如果平仓结束,美元重新贬值,黄金将恢复看涨的趋势。
  我认为,金价将会在2009年创下新高,但是,黄金的神话也许会比原油破灭得更早。也许在2010年为了应对通胀风险,央行开始提升利率,黄金市场将会步入熊市。今后一段时期,黄金仍然会处于牛市。

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发表于 2008-11-27 21:32 |显示全部楼层
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虽然不完全同意他的观点,但谢谢lz提供信息。

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没有找到这篇谢的文章,请LZ给出出处

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应该是从凤凰卫视的财经谈话上下来的。
http://bbs.ifeng.com/viewthread. ... &extra=page%3D1
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現在商品期貨確實有見底的跡象了,在低位大幅震蕩。澳幣也是,明年來個大反轉也不是沒可能啊。

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原帖由 vvguru 于 2008-11-27 23:45 发表
应该是从凤凰卫视的财经谈话上下来的。
http://bbs.ifeng.com/viewthread. ... &extra=page%3D1

not sure if it's fake, can't find it on Xie's sohu blog http://xieguozhong.blog.sohu.com/

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这句话什么意思?

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“一是有钱人整合国家资源。想想苏联的卢布成了废纸是另一个问题。”

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原帖由 maya 于 2008-11-28 09:46 发表
“一是有钱人整合国家资源。想想苏联的卢布成了废纸是另一个问题。”

资源集中到少数寡头手里,货币贬值。

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大事??中国发生大事是很危险的,动乱就来了。:o
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如果这样的话,看来现在应该大量地换澳元
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确实是这样,现在贫富差距太悬殊,最近的金融危机把最后一点中产也消灭差不多了,人心思变的感觉很明显.连门口一个某实权政府机关财务处长的老婆都整天说有游行就跟着去,因为股票亏了100来万.

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现在美国除了印钞票还能干吗?推销国债吗?中国最近增持的也只是一部分短期国债而已,长期国债估计收益率将来会很惨。

我看到“穷爸爸富爸爸”的作者最近是这么写的。
前几次经济萧条,我们政府拯救了一些发展中国家,或者一些商业银行,如美洲银行等等,动用资金几十个billion。
这一次,我们政府需要拯救的是投资银行和两房,动用的资金是1个trillion.
到2020年前,我们很可能需要拯救的社保体系和医疗体系,动用的资金将是100个trillon.
整个系统将会走到尽头。

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谢国忠的预测水平其实比较一般。比如他从2002年就开始说国内房价太高,现在回头看,虽然中间的确有过调整,但涨幅远远超过跌幅。

不过,谢国忠的优点是会把复杂的经济原理用通俗的话语表达出来,让你一看就明白。而且,他往往会乐于(或敢于?)把一些通常圈内人不会透露的消息,告诉大众。 这两点是我比较喜欢谢国忠的原因。

总体上,谢国忠是个可爱的经济学家。

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不是说要看结论怎么怎么样, 经常了解一下他的思路是很好的。
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谢国忠还是在2007年11月时说:“悲观主义者研究经济学,乐观主义者搞金融。因为,经济有周期,有繁荣也有衰退;金融充满了创新,金融家眼里,明天永远是美好的。我是一个悲观主义者,所以只能当经济学家。

觉得这段话很有道理
回忆是红色的天空

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正因为有周期性,所以你只要一直坚持一种观点(无论悲观还是乐观),总有蒙对的一天。。。

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