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[信息讨论] bloomberg评论:黄金到底有没有对冲风险作用? [复制链接]

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发表于 2008-10-23 16:06 |显示全部楼层
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基本来说没啥用。

Gold May Pay Only in Case of Maximum Despair: Jane Bryant Quinn  
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/ne ... ePEE&refer=home

Commentary by Jane Bryant Quinn

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Oct. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Gold is for rich guys -- buying physical gold, that is. The metal's highest and best investment use is as insurance policy against a currency collapse. For that purpose, you need a lot of it, stored around the world. Owning 20 or 30 coins is nice but won't protect your standard of living in a world where dollars are dust.

Gold isn't even a reliable hedge against inflation. It reached $850 an ounce in January 1980, a price not seen again until January 2008. During those intervening 28 years, gold plunged and reared but lost more than half of its purchasing power. For a 1980 investor to break even after inflation, gold would have to reach $2,200.

It might, but how long did you plan to wait?

For the average investor, gold boils down to a speculation on higher prices. The latest run-up started in August 2007, when the housing market visibly started falling apart. From $652, it raced up to $1,003 an ounce last March, zig-zagged back to $747 in September, jumped to $905, then slid to $772 as of yesterday.

Hedge funds drove the market but individuals jumped in, too. So far this year, investors have purchased 611,000 newly minted, one-ounce U.S. gold coins, compared with 315,000 in all of 2007.

``We've seen a switch in appetite, with investors moving from futures to physical gold, either owning it directly or going through exchange-traded funds,'' says Suki Cooper, an analyst at London-based Barclays Capital.

Coins purchased strictly for their gold value, not their numismatic value, are known as bullion coins. Many countries mint them -- South Africa (Krugerrand), Canada (Maple Leaf), China (Panda), Austria (Philharmonic) and Australia (Kangaroo), among others. The U.S. Mint makes Buffalos and American Eagles. For investment purposes, you want the one-ounce size.

Supply Shrinks

That is, if you can find them. The yearlong run on bullion has dried up the supply of coins for immediate delivery. Everything was out of stock last week at the online dealer onlygold.com. Kitco.com had Maples at 7 percent more than the spot gold price.

``The premium will likely come down 1 or 2 percent when all coin supplies improve a bit,'' says Jon Nadler, senior analyst for Kitco Metals & Minerals in Montreal.

The various mints project the number of coins they expect to sell each year and produce on demand. Toward the end of each year, they let their inventories run down while gearing up for next year's run. The surge of buyers left them short of high- quality blanks.

Currently, the U.S. Mint is striking only a limited number of 2008 Eagles. The wholesalers are on allocation. No Buffalos are being shipped at all, although a small number might still be minted before the end of the year. By late December, dealers expect to start receiving 2009 coins.

Coin of the Realm

For U.S. investors, American Eagles are the bullion coin of choice. You can put them into individual retirement accounts as long as they remain in their original U.S. Mint capsules. (It's not clear that Buffalos are allowed.)

Eagles also slip through a loophole in the tax reporting law, says Scott Travers, author of ``The Coin Collector's Survival Manual.'' Dealers have to report to the Internal Revenue Service if you sell 25 or more Maples or Krugerrands. They're not required to report your sales of American Eagles and some other coins, although some may do so. (Kitco, in Canada, says it does no tax reporting at all.)

Normally, one-ounce Eagles sell for 5.5 percent to 7.5 percent over the gold price, Nadler says. Small dealers might mark up the price even more.

In this buying panic, I saw online dealers charging as much as 13 percent more than spot gold. Their Web sites warned that there might be a wait before your Eagles could be shipped.

Fool's Gold

On EBay and the Home Shopping Network, coins sell at fantasy prices. A set of Eagles in four different weights was offered on HSN at $4,999.99. In gold, it's worth about $1,450. Prices like these take advantage of neophytes. A coin dealer might sell a four-coin set for $1,850, Travers says.

A cheaper way of buying gold is through an exchange traded fund. The most widely traded fund, SPDR Gold Shares, costs 0.4 percent a year in fees, plus your brokerage commission. You don't own the gold directly. A trust holds large gold bars (warehoused principally in London) and sells shares against them, which are traded on the open market. You can't redeem in gold itself.

It costs even less to buy bullion in a pool account, such as the ones offered by Kitco. Like an ETF, a pool account sells shares in a large bar of warehoused gold. You pay just a hair over the spot gold price, and sell it back to Kitco for just a hair under. There are no annual expenses. For a fee, you can redeem in gold itself. As with ETFs, you depend on the pool's trustee to support its guarantee.

Gold, by the way, is taxed as a collectible -- whether you buy it in the form of coins, ETF shares or an interest in a pool account. Your tax rate on long-term capital gains would be 28 percent, compared with 15 percent on other assets. Only a significant price gain (or currency collapse) redeems your bet.

(Jane Bryant Quinn, a leading personal finance writer and author of ``Smart and Simple Financial Strategies for Busy People,'' is a Bloomberg News columnist. She is a director of Bloomberg LP, parent of Bloomberg News. The opinions expressed are her own.)

To contact the writer of this column: Jane Bryant Quinn in New York at jbquinn@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: October 22, 2008 00:01 EDT

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发表于 2008-10-23 16:32 |显示全部楼层
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可咋办呢?

发表于 2008-10-24 23:14 |显示全部楼层
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现在实物黄金的供应紧张, 今天听收音机还听Perth Mint提到缺货。

发表于 2008-10-24 23:47 |显示全部楼层
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如今的世道,选择并不是很多,除了现金能想到的就是黄金了,要不然就是炒汇,汇市不分熊牛,只要赌对方向。

在通胀和衰退的时候,黄金会是个避风港。大萧条的时候,民众疯狂抢购黄金,以至于政府立法规定私人拥有黄金非法。近期黄金回调,应该是补仓的机会。
美好的生活就是追求美好生活的生活

发表于 2008-10-25 12:36 |显示全部楼层
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黄金虽然还有地位,应该已经动摇了,象美元

发表于 2008-11-16 17:18 |显示全部楼层
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Gold most of time is used to hedge against inflation, but recession.

When people realize the recession is coming, growth is reduced, gold is not as valued.
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发表于 2008-11-16 22:11 |显示全部楼层
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大萧条时期是不是金本位美圆?

发表于 2008-11-17 10:43 |显示全部楼层
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G20在谈论废除美元的霸权地位,除了黄金有哪种货币可以替代?金本位时代再度来临?说不定将来我们可以用“金圆劵”来做世界货币了。

美国也无法再随心所欲地滥用美元来输出通胀,转嫁风险,左右世界经济秩序了。所谓出来混,迟早要还,这次的世纪金融危机波及全球,影响无数人,总得有人承担责任,不会就这么不了了之。
美好的生活就是追求美好生活的生活

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我建议世界货币改为:铜币,银币和金币。再往上用紫晶币。哈哈。好魔幻啊。

发表于 2008-11-17 12:27 |显示全部楼层
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只要不用冥币就好。:si75

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黄金到底有没有对冲风险作用?

I think so.
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