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卖瓜买房 发表于 2018-6-5 15:44
墨尔本的移民素质差一点,悉尼的会好很多。

毕竟素质和经济程度还是有关系的 ...

地域黑啊
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卖瓜买房 发表于 2018-6-5 15:44
墨尔本的移民素质差一点,悉尼的会好很多。

毕竟素质和经济程度还是有关系的 ...

在澳洲的论坛你居然还搞地域黑,可见你的素质,呵 呵
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一心一意 发表于 2018-6-5 20:03
LZ的树枝是从邻居家的树上掉下来的?还是从council的树上掉下来的?

如果是邻居家的树枝伸到你家,你可以 ...

council是最垃圾的一级政府机构,没有之一。
他们不需要对任何人负责,也没有任何追责制度约束。民主国家的耻辱。

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cangaru 发表于 2018-6-5 12:03
嗯,是要有证据才好打官司,最好的证据就是书面通知,口头的虽然也是证据但不好保存比较弱

这点鬼佬比较 ...

我一直不理解的就是发信如何作为证据。信都是单方面的,对方完全可以说没收到什么信。如何解?

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头回见到这么丑逼的fence

楼主牛逼

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maxdll 发表于 2018-6-5 11:13
问个有关的题外话,如果树有近5、6米高,用什么简单方法可以快速切割。我试过用高压水枪喷杀草剂,是不是狠 ...

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https://www.bunnings.com.au/cutrite-325mm-pruning-saw_p2971277

这两把锯子就够了,我已经砍了两棵树了


要围着圈的锯断,而且粗的地方最好锯个开口那种的,不然树没断,锯卡进去了
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野草如果是driveway可以考虑gas tourch烧死

如视频
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=993nkdFshQU


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我家东侧邻居也是沿着围墙种了一大排树,高的有十来米,他们自己树底下是泥地无所谓,我家这边是泳池和草地,一年四季都掉东西,泳池索性就只能盖起来。今年夏天大风居然掉下来一个巨大的树枝,我正好在收拾泳池,擦到一点点,要是正好砸到或者砸到孩子就惨了。口头和信件都委婉的通知了邻居,依然不搭理你。邻居是对80多岁的老夫妻。
上个图片你们看看,头疼死了。围墙上的树枝就是掉下来的那段,大部分已经在邻居那头了

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shawn-oz 发表于 2018-6-5 20:22
邻居是local老太? 碰上这样的邻居真够窝心的

澳洲夫妻,60来岁吧。COUNCIL也不管,说非要他们同意, 才可以锯

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砸成脑震荡的伤者怎么处理的?没去告么?

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这gumtree可不是一般的高,楼主这侧估计弄不了
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nis5 发表于 2018-6-5 23:42
我一直不理解的就是发信如何作为证据。信都是单方面的,对方完全可以说没收到什么信。如何解? ...

有条件的话一般都是当面递交

如果真是通过邮局或信箱的话,要follow up的,然后问对方收到没有,比如你发个信,如果是纸质的,拍个照或拷贝一份,如果是email就无所谓
参尕儒:水中倒影着美丽的白塔
Reflection in the water with a beautiful Baita
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cangaru 发表于 2018-6-6 10:22
有条件的话一般都是当面递交

如果真是通过邮局或信箱的话,要follow up的,然后问对方收到没有,比如你 ...

当面递交后来他也可以抵赖阿。
发信就更可以抵赖了。他坚持说没受到。怎么办?除非寄挂号。

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nis5 发表于 2018-6-5 11:27
是的。这是你唯一的权利。其他再也没有什么可以做的了。

NONONO, 你的权利是“tidy的放回”对面的院子

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nis5 发表于 2018-6-6 10:40
当面递交后来他也可以抵赖阿。
发信就更可以抵赖了。他坚持说没受到。怎么办?除非寄挂号。 ...

如果当面递交还抵赖,这个法官会做出判断的,就像很多交通事故双方都有抵赖的可能,但保险公司都按常理判断,尤其是你有证据的时候

我以前有个纠纷就是这样,我有所有的证据,对方还抵赖说没收到,法官判我胜诉,常理就能判断
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个人感觉,这个案子的关键不在于“通知的证据”;而在于council不批---邻居可说尽力了。 律师怎么说?有无把council 列为第二被告?
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nis5 发表于 2018-6-6 10:40
当面递交后来他也可以抵赖阿。
发信就更可以抵赖了。他坚持说没受到。怎么办?除非寄挂号。 ...

得找律师,写律师信

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cc9007 发表于 2018-6-5 23:58
https://www.bunnings.com.au/ozito-power-x-change-18v-reciprocating-saw-skin-only_p6290473
https:// ...

这个gas tourch在哪买呀?

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fzds 发表于 2018-6-6 11:00
这个gas tourch在哪买呀?

淘宝
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leinlee 发表于 2018-6-5 11:28
对,邻居家的树只要过界都可以砍,邻居自己院子里面的树如果阻碍了你家采光,你也可以要求邻居把树砍矮, ...

他也可以以私隐作为回绝理由,还是搞好关系和睦相处为妙

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好危险的感觉,希望楼主胜诉
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科普一下

If a strong, healthy tree blows down across the fence in a storm, this is  considered to be an ‘act of God’ for which there is no liability。

除非有证据这棵树是有病不健康的,否则楼主这个官司不太容易赢

case study

http://insurancelaw.org.au/wp-co ... If-a-Tree-Falls.pdf

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fzds 发表于 2018-6-6 10:30
这个gas tourch在哪买呀?

比较简单的就是sushi那种,+火锅气瓶

大一点的就加油站气罐+ebay买一个
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alvin.y 发表于 2018-6-6 02:23
我家东侧邻居也是沿着围墙种了一大排树,高的有十来米,他们自己树底下是泥地无所谓,我家这边是泳池和草地 ...

这种垃圾邻居最讨厌。只能玩阴的,让他们也生活得不痛快。
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cantonese 发表于 2018-6-6 11:23
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给个连接?

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nis5 发表于 2018-6-6 12:25
给个连接?

https://s.taobao.com/search?q=%E ... utton&catId=100
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楼主忍了吧,打官司劳民伤财,这官司不管你是告邻居还是告council, 你没机会赢的。
这gum tree属native, 已经在那里不定多长时间了,甭管邻居啥时候来的,这树可能比你们两家房子都老。
掉树枝是这种树的一大特点,砸了房子伤了人不是头一次了,人家council早就见过这些了,早就有了应对的套路。
邻居说的对,走你自己保险吧。要是能告谁的话你家保险公司自然会告诉你的,能找替罪羊的话,保险公司不想省钱?
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ls 很多人太,,,包子。这种伤人的,特别是提前通知的,邻居应该有责任。

Falling Trees

Liability for falling trees or limbs has been considered in a number of cases. In a decision of the House of Lords, Caminer v Northern and London Investment Trust Ltd[3], Lord Radcliff discussed the different types of legal responsibilities that might apply in relation to trees, depending on their location. He noted that this might result in an owner of a tree in a remoter and less populated area being able to take 'more chances at the expense of his neighbours' than the owner of a tree in a built up area, adjacent to a busy street. But his Lordship was not convinced of the logic of this differentiation adding that, 'a tree or its branch only falls once'.

Reported Australian decisions illustrate that the location of the tree in a particular case may be relevant and policy considerations may play a part where the defendant is a statutory authority. But ultimately a court, having considered the evidence, will have to decide whether a relevant duty of care has been established and whether it has been breached.

Decisions in cases where the question of the duty of care owed by a statutory authority in relation to hazards on land like falling trees or branches is involved, usually consider, among other issues, relevant statutory provisions, the adequacy of warning signs and policy considerations.

For instance, in Schiller v Council of the Shire of Mulgrave[4] the plaintiff was injured in a scenic reserve, which the Shire Council was appointed trustee of, when a dead tree suddenly fell on him while he was walking down a rough bush track. The Shire Council's duty was based on control of the land where the accident occurred.

The evidence showed that it was a known fact that trees in the North Queensland rainforest were subject to fungal invasion which, over a cycle of seasons, could cause rot and eventually the tree to fall. The council through its employees knew or ought to have known that fact. The tree in question was obviously dead and was close enough to the bush track to be seen and for the knowledge to form that, when it fell, there would be a risk of injury to any person on the track in the proximity of the tree.

Importantly the scenic reserve covered a relatively small area, was not an open and extensive area of bushland and attracted tourists.

By contrast, in Harper[5], the Victorian Department of Natural Resources and Energy was not in breach of any duty it owed to persons entering a national park when the plaintiff was injured by a tree falling in gusty winds. The tree fall also killed one of the plaintiff's companions. The case turned on the efficacy of warning signs. The trial judge found the defendant in breach of its duty by not having appropriate signs warning of the danger of hazardous trees in certain weather conditions.

The Victorian Court of Appeal reversed that decision taking into account the obviousness of the danger and the endemic risk of such accidents in outdoor recreational activities in state reserves. The burden of placing warning signs throughout the reserve was disproportionate to the remote risk of injury. In addition, there was no evidence that if such signs had been erected the plaintiff would have taken any notice of them.

The decision in Schiller was distinguished on the basis that the scenic reserve under the control of the Mulgrave Shire Council was concerned only with a relatively small strip of forest adjacent to a bush track and not with a substantial bush reserve. Relevant authority for the Court of Appeal's reasoning on the principles of negligence was found in the High Court's decision in Romeo v Conservation Commission (NT)[6].

Timbs v Shoalhaven City Council[7]
Mr Timbs was killed in his bed, asleep, when a tree blown over by very strong winds fell on the roof of his house. The tree, one of four adjacent to Timbs' house, was the subject of a tree preservation order which required the consent of council to cut any of them down.

According to the evidence of his wife, Mr Timbs had requested advice from council about the health of the trees in fear for the safety of himself and his family. In July 1996 and January 1998, a council officer attended the Timbs' property, inspected the trees, including the one that killed Mr Timbs, and advised the family that the trees were healthy and safe and could not be cut down.

The trial judge found that the council, through its officer, had exercised reasonable care in inspecting the trees, which had a healthy, normal appearance and the advice given and the refusal to allow them to be cut down did not amount to negligence.

The New South Wales Court of Appeal overruled the trial judge's decision and awarded damages of almost $750,000 to Mrs Timbs for damage to the house, for rent payable during its reconstruction and as damages for the death of her husband under the Compensation to Relatives Act 1897 (NSW).

The council's liability was based partly on the 'significant and special measure of control over the safety of home owners who brought to the Council's attention their fears that overhanging trees were dangerous'. [8]

The control factor was significant because the council, through its officer, agreed to advise the Timbs whether the trees were dangerous. The officer's expressed opinion was a representation by him of his capacity to do so based upon his expertise and experience. This raised the standard of care required of him. Accordingly, there should have been more than a routine visual inspection by the officer or advice should have been given to the Timbs that an inspection and independent advice by an expert should be obtained to support an order that the tree could be cut down. In the circumstances the advice was negligent.

Expert evidence at trial indicated a number of factors which contributed to the windthrow of the tree, including water logged soils and a decayed root system, which would have been revealed by a more thorough inspection.

There was, in the circumstances, an open inference that a proper inspection would have revealed the decayed structural roots and the tree would have been found to have been dangerous. Guidance on principle for the finding of negligence by the council through its officer was found in the High Court's decisions in Pyrenees Shire Council v Day[9] and Mutual Life and Citizens Assurance Company Ltd v Evatt[10].


[1] See The West Australian, 19 January 2005, p 5; The Australian, 3 February 2005, p 5
[2] Secretary, Department of Natural Resources and Energy v Harper (2000) 1 VR 133 at 148. This and surrounding passages from the judgment of Batt J were quoted with approval in Wyong Shire Council v Vairy; Mulligan v Coffs Harbour City Council [2004] NSWCA 247 and relied upon by Ipp J in Prast v Town of Cottesloe (2000) 22 WAR 474
[3] [1951] AC 88
[4] [1972] 129 CLR 116
[5] Above, note 2
[6] [1998] 192 CLR 431
[7] [2004] NSWCA 81
[8] Above, note 6 at para 47
[9] (1998) 192 CLR 330
[10] (1968) 122 CLR 556

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发表于 2018-6-6 14:42 |显示全部楼层
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感谢楼上分享资料,分给您加了。我看来就是您说的包子。
我觉得您举的这例子和楼主的情况不大一样。在案例当中那树是因为水土流失,根系腐烂,在大风的情况下“整个”倒了,由此造成了房屋损坏及人员伤亡。council的责任是没能发现或告知住户这些危险情况的存在。
而楼主的照片显示只是一段大树枝掉了下来,而这种桉树掉树枝是非常常见的,council不会因为掉树枝就允许你随意修剪桉树,更不用说砍掉。桉树树枝hang over房屋,driveway的多了,很多看着非常健康,指不定啥时候就掉下来了,即使没风。
楼主在53楼已经说了,邻居同意砍这棵树,但council不同意。我不明白为什么现在楼主要告邻居,而不是告council.

发表于 2018-6-6 17:26 |显示全部楼层
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树是私人的 还是council 的?

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