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选举口号之"把船民赶回去!" [复制链接]

发表于 2010-11-15 08:47 |显示全部楼层
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每次选举, 都会制造一些假命题来迷惑选民. Stop the boat, 就是其中之一.
当时Tony 就把这个作为口号之一来争取保守派白人的欢心. 实际稍有常识的人都知道, 澳洲不可能在法律上(legally) stop the boat.
当年John是表面上多元文化口号喊得响, 暗地里把船民放在离岸的岛屿上, 利用移民法的权力, 阻止了船民. 虽然有效, 但是绝对是暗地操作的两面派手法.
Stop the boat,绝对无法放在台面上来操作, 否则只能造成法律在人道上的倒退, 所以想要Stop the boat, 唯一的办法还是John的办法, 搞两面派手法.

把这个拿作竞选口号, 绝对是逞一时之快. 因为没有人能合法地Stop the boat.
最近的新闻, 高院沉没了总理的船民政策.
让我们再一次清醒地认识一下, 这一两难问题, 不是高喊口号就解决的, 甚至不是一个高尚的人能解决的, 意思是:没有高尚的解决办法.

http://www.theage.com.au/nationa ... 20101111-17pe3.html
High Court sinks PM's boat policy

Michael Gordon and Yuko Narushima
November 12, 2010

AUSTRALIA'S decade-old regime of processing asylum seekers offshore has been thrown into doubt by the High Court, opening the way for thousands of people who arrive by boat to have their claims for refugee status tested by the courts.

The landmark decision will prevent the deportation of dozens of asylum seekers whose claims have been rejected under a two-stage process that the court found denied them procedural fairness or the protection of the rule of law.

The decision also raises serious doubts about the Gillard government's plan to send unauthorised boat arrivals to a detention centre in East Timor to have their claims for refugee status assessed.


The government yesterday vowed to press ahead with plans for a regional centre, but conceded that it would take weeks to work through the ''significant ramifications'' of the decision. It also warned that people could be spending longer in detention because processing could be ''elongated'' as a result of the decision.

While refugee advocates demanded the government abandon offshore processing, the opposition said the decision had ''sunk any remaining credibility Labor had on the issue of illegal boat arrivals''.

In the decision, the court ruled that two Sri Lankan boat arrivals were denied ''procedural fairness'' because their asylum claims were reviewed through a process unchecked by Australian law.

Australia's offshore detention regime was set up in 2001 to deny boat arrivals the right to apply for protection unless the Immigration Minister made an exception. It created a two-tier system, where those who flew into mainland airports were given the right to appeal to the courts but those who came by boat were subject to a so-called ''non-legal'' system.

The lawyer who led the challenge, David Manne, called yesterday's victory a triumph for the rule of law. ''It applies to every asylum seeker in Australia subject to the offshore processing regime and it means not a single one of those people should be forced from Australia until they have had their claims assessed through a new and lawful process,'' he said.

While Mr Manne urged the government to investigate past cases where asylum seekers had been deported under the discredited system, legal sources played down the prospects of action being launched where the people concerned were no longer in Australia.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard was non-committal about the implications, telling a press conference in Seoul the government would take legal advice and respond in due course.

The Refugee Council of Australia urged the government to resist the temptation to undermine the High Court's decision.

''The main impact of this decision is to put all people seeking asylum in Australia on an equal footing,'' chief executive Paul Power said.

Amnesty Australia's refugee co-ordinator, Graham Thom, said the government now had an opportunity to rectify a ''grave and long-standing error of judgment'' that blatantly discriminated against boat arrivals.

Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young promised to introduce a bill to repeal the excision policy and give boat arrivals access to judicial review.

The case upheld yesterday related to two asylum seekers, identified as plaintiffs M61 and M69. They arrived by boat in 2009 and reached Christmas Island on October 2. Notified of the outcome, the men, who are in the Villawood detention centre, said they were happy and grateful.

[ 本帖最后由 稀饭 于 2010-11-15 09:48 编辑 ]

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发表于 2010-11-15 12:21 |显示全部楼层

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终于有人说一些明白话了.
而且船民占澳大利亚每年要处理的"请求庇护"者的一个非常非常小的比例.就是比较吸引眼球而已.
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发表于 2010-11-15 12:24 |显示全部楼层
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为什么那么不喜欢船民呢,人家也是有难来投靠

发表于 2010-11-15 12:25 |显示全部楼层
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发表于 2010-11-15 12:28 |显示全部楼层

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part of your tax pay to asylum seekers, and happening every year.... portion of that seekers may become thief

退役斑竹

发表于 2010-11-15 12:29 |显示全部楼层
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Stop the boat =/= 把船民赶回去
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原帖由 garysu 于 2010-11-15 13:29 发表
Stop the boat =/= 把船民赶回去


我没有找到合适的翻译, 麻烦您找个合适的有力的口号式的翻译. 谢谢.

发表于 2010-11-15 15:01 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 bati 于 2010-11-15 13:28 发表
part of your tax pay to asylum seekers, and happening every year.... portion of that seekers may become thief


符合利益, 不一定是符合道义和法律的.

发表于 2010-11-15 15:02 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 K1234 于 2010-11-15 09:57 发表
不要船民。。。


现在我们说不要船民, 我不知道政府能否做到.

曾经白人说不要亚洲人, 白人那么做过, 现在终于不那么做了.

曾经原住民说没说过不要外来人我不知道.

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原帖由 ATO 于 2010-11-15 13:24 发表
为什么那么不喜欢船民呢,人家也是有难来投靠


恩学北美,船民来了全去做面包,清洁或者体力工,这样蓝领工资就下降了。北美物价便宜很大原因是蓝领工资比澳洲低多了。  不过这里吃饱饭的白人估计不肯。。。蓝领是他们最爱

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政府处理船民的办法不能太简单
把他们集中管理,每月给点钱不是好办法
不如交给他们谋生技能,实在不行干体力活总可以。
不干活的就不给钱
如果大部分船民们也能自食其力而不靠tax payer养,估计反对声音会小很多。

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发表于 2010-11-15 18:45 |显示全部楼层
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但那个又涉及培训费等,不便宜,而且最终这些大部分要遣送回去的...总之十分麻烦。

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发表于 2010-11-16 08:48 |显示全部楼层

11-13楼真正考虑了船民问题的复杂性.

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这才是政府要考虑的事情. 而不是简单粗暴地Stop the boat.

发表于 2010-11-16 08:54 |显示全部楼层
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选举口号应该是降低利息!

发表于 2010-11-17 08:55 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 nanami666 于 2010-11-16 09:54 发表
选举口号应该是降低利息!



这个........

利息的升高或者降低是Reserve Bank的的事情, Reserve bank 是独立于政府的机构, 他的雇员大多是经济金融学家,做的是调查研究分析和预测的工作, 就是按照经济规律办事, 而不是按照政府政策办事. 政府不能干预Reserve Bank的决策. 除非通过议会重新立法来削弱Reserve Bank的职能, 但是在自由式市场经济的条件下. 这不可能是好办法.

利息的升降只是调节经济的方法, 而不是目的, 降息很可能是因为经济衰退, 谁的选举口号敢说:我上台就让经济衰退?

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原帖由 kevinj 于 2010-11-15 19:22 发表
政府处理船民的办法不能太简单
把他们集中管理,每月给点钱不是好办法
不如交给他们谋生技能,实在不行干体力活总可以。
不干活的就不给钱
如果大部分船民们也能自食其力而不靠tax payer养,估计反对声音会小很多。 ...

赞成,该安置就要像个良民样子安置,不是多一些睡大街的。
思う事 思うがまゝに なしとげて 思う事なき 家の内哉
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还是赶回去的好

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