老板如果用1500付annual leave完全合法吗？

jonathan1021

如题，老板如果用1500付annual leave，这完全合法吗？首先感觉不合理 ，年假是辛辛苦苦自己攒下的，全部休在疫情期间，肯定浪费了。没年假的合适了，不管工不工作都有750。而且3月30日起至9月27日止也就半年时间，休掉2周正常，多于2周就有点克扣了，因为那是3月30号之前攒下的啊。

deen

合理，合法，发1500只是起到一个纽带作用，说明老板和你之间的雇佣关系还存在。

jonathan1021

deen 发表于 2020-4-25 08:15
合理，合法，发1500只是起到一个纽带作用，说明老板和你之间的雇佣关系还存在。

...

首先，付给我年假钱完全不需要这个纽带。所以不合理吧。你这个“纽带”论不成立，因为老板解雇我也得付。如果那样老板反而得不到1500

kawara

合法与否不知道，肯定不合理。

jonathan1021

年假钱与今后的雇佣关系乃至产生的收入应该算是2部分吧。政府既然是为了帮雇主不辞退员工为目的，那这笔钱老板是不是也应该用在今后的员工收入上？而不是先把以前的账还清再。。。

jonathan1021

感觉这样做，老板是盈利不是接受补助。我的年假刚好比较多若真如此，是我自己给自己发工资吧。当然这么说有点过分，毕竟是老板的钱、但最起码是我早该享有的合法利益。不是from jobkeeper吧

Purplelight

有的公司是：1. Annual leave自愿原则
2. 如果使用，打五折

就是说你歇两周的话，扣你一周的leave balance.

个人认为比较合理

jonathan1021

Purplelight 发表于 2020-4-25 08:38
有的公司是：1. Annual leave自愿原则
2. 如果使用，打五折

这是好的个例

deen

jonathan1021 发表于 2020-4-25 07:25
首先，付给我年假钱完全不需要这个纽带。所以不合理吧。你这个“纽带”论不成立，因为老板解雇我也得付。 ...

这个想法不错
首先拿2个星期1500=半年1500，第二老板解雇你是得给你这2星期，但是这个职位没了，你也就拿2星期，政府不希望看到职位没了，所以帮老板承担的工资压力。
这次的疫情前所未有，政府的各种政策也前所未有，不少是仓促决定，比较模糊，但总理也解说了普遍性和公平性。

jonathan1021

从隔壁贴好像看到：ato有具体的案例？一时又没找着，知道这方面的足友能分享一下吗

LLL0918

貌似合法，但确实不合理。楼上的老板是良心老板。

整个小号上来逛

感觉不合法，停工在家的拿这么多而年假是你自己的。

deen

jonathan1021 发表于 2020-4-25 07:37
感觉这样做，老板是盈利不是接受补助。我的年假刚好比较多若真如此，是我自己给自己发工资吧。当然这么说有 ...

这就是这次钱发给老板转的精髓，从就工资一部分来说，你的解说也可能成立。但是政府是希望雇佣关系存在，公司生意不在这次疫情倒闭，疫情过后能尽快的恢复经济运转。

jonathan1021

deen 发表于 2020-4-25 08:40
这个想法不错
首先拿2个星期1500=半年1500，第二老板解雇你是得给你这2星期，但是这个职位没了， ...

我攒的年假多，这回全泡汤了，所以郁闷。但想想还有老板连long service leave也给人家pay掉的，就更郁闷了，我估计也快了。

deen

Purplelight 发表于 2020-4-25 07:38
有的公司是：1. Annual leave自愿原则
2. 如果使用，打五折

这次例子中，老板比较良心，更公平，在困难时期能够这样，过后应该珍惜。
这次疫情充分体现了人性的真实面，无论是老板还是雇员，无论是亲朋好友，还是网络朋友圈

jonathan1021

deen 发表于 2020-4-25 08:45
这就是这次钱发给老板转的精髓，从就工资一部分来说，你的解说也可能成立。但是政府是希望雇佣关系存在， ...

政府初衷是好的，但谁也不敢保证申请了jobkeeper的公司就一定能挺过疫情不倒啊

deen

jonathan1021 发表于 2020-4-25 07:46
我攒的年假多，这回全泡汤了，所以郁闷。但想想还有老板连long service leave也给人家pay掉的，就更郁闷 ...

在想想，如果你老板生意这次倒闭了，你所有的年假都拿不到呢？岂不是损失更大？

deen

jonathan1021 发表于 2020-4-25 07:51
政府初衷是好的，但谁也不敢保证申请了jobkeeper的公司就一定能挺过疫情不倒啊 ...

这次政府补贴政策有2个，名称不同，从字面上应该很容易理解和区分

parks

政府只是资助雇主，你如果eligible，政府就开始给钱……就是为了简化手续……除非你拿着paid parental leave 那不qualified 政府就不需要資助雇主關於你的部分

liyuefu

What happens if an employee takes a period of annual leave whilst receiving the JobKeeper payment?

If an employee takes annual leave when they are receiving the JobKeeper payment, it would come from their annual leave entitlement as normal. You will continue to receive the JobKeeper payments for that employee as normal.

The standard rules will apply in relation to the JobKeeper payment in that the employee must be paid at least the $1,500 JobKeeper payment, or the actual wages they are entitled to for that fortnight, whichever is greater. In addition, superannuation must be paid as usual on annual leave payments and time worked, but not on any ‘top up’ JobKeeper payment.

Annual leave payment exceeds $1,500?

If the payment that the employee is entitled to receive for annual leave exceeds the $1,500 JobKeeper payment, you will need to pay the employee the full amount that they are entitled to for that period of annual leave. For example, if the employee takes 10 days of annual leave and is entitled to be paid $2,000 for that period of leave, you will need to pay the employee $2,000, which will include the $1,500 JobKeeper payment.

Annual leave payment is less than $1,500?

If the payment that the employee is entitled to receive for annual leave is less than the $1,500 JobKeeper payment, you will need to pay the employee the full $1,500 JobKeeper payment. For example, the employee takes 2 days of annual leave and is entitled to be paid $400 for that period of leave. If the employee is stood down for the remainder of the fortnight, you will need to pay the employee $1,500, which will include the $400 annual leave payment plus a ‘top up’ of $1,100. If the employee perform works for the remainder of the fortnight, you will need to pay the annual leave payment, plus the wages for those hours worked, plus any ‘top up’ payment required to ensure the employee receives a minimum of $1,500 for that fortnight.


https://employsure.com.au/blog/jobkeeper-payment-faqs/

liyuefu

https://coronavirus.fairwork.gov.au/coronavirus-and-australian-workplace-laws/pay-and-leave-during-coronavirus#annual-leave


When can an employee take or be directed to take annual leave?

Employers and employees usually agree for the employee to take paid annual leave. In some circumstances, employers can require employees to take paid annual leave.

Whether an employer can direct an employee to take annual leave in circumstances relating to coronavirus usually depends on what the relevant award or enterprise agreement says.

For an employer to direct an employee to take annual leave, any award or agreement that applies must include a term allowing employees to be required to take annual leave in particular circumstances, and the requirement must be reasonable. For example, awards and agreements sometimes provide that employers can direct their employee to take annual leave when:

the business is closed, for example during the Christmas and New Year period (this won’t always apply to coronavirus related closures)
an employee has accumulated excess annual leave.
Some awards and agreements allow employers to make these directions in a different range of circumstances. For example, the General Retail Industry Award external-icon.png allows an employer to require an employee to take annual leave as part of any close-down of its operations by giving at least four weeks’ notice. The Fast Food Industry Award external-icon.png does not allow directions to take annual leave during a close down of operations.

If there is no award or agreement that applies to the employee, under the Fair Work Act the employer can direct them to take annual leave if the direction is reasonable, which includes circumstances where the employer is shutting down its business because of the impact of the coronavirus.

Awards and enterprise agreements may also include rules about taking annual leave in advance of the employee accruing leave. Award and agreement-free employees can make an agreement with their employer to take annual leave in advance of accruing it.

kawara

这个job keeper挺恶心的。把利益都输送给雇主了。回头就加税补窟窿。

deen

各个利益不同，产生的解读不同。20楼有明确的政府解读

gjdq32

不应该。我之前一直是用年假在付，这周公司说1500批下来了，我年假工资就停了。

小胖子吃辣肉面

应该是合法的，毕竟你也没上班，而且应该有协商过程，你没有反对就表示你同意了。

新panda

这次就是很多老板钻空子的时候，真是五花八门啥都有。

championpig

是很不公平，不过因为这个就是叫雇主补贴，最后就看雇主良心了。

yn0521

首先，这1500跟你没关系，是补贴公司的
其次，这期间你是否要休年假，难道不是你自己决定的吗
如果老板强制休年假，那我会觉得老板没品

天天天蓝123

Pay category annual leave which is your 2 week annual leave amount, jobkeeper top up amount 0, haha, boss still get 1500 income

Or boss can choose your normal hour 0, jobkeeper top up amount 1500,

Depend on boss mood, hahahahahahaha

天天天蓝123

6年的年假都把你用光，哈哈哈