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[其他讨论] 托管人说做好血本无归的心理准备: 转走2.77亿,托管账户只剩200万. “我所有的钱都没了!” Ralan未来集团投资者 [复制链接]

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https://cn.theaustralian.com.au/2019/08/08/26826/



负债5亿而倒闭的悉尼和黄金海岸房地产开发商未来集团(Ralan Group)的前雇员和公寓购买者昨日在新南威尔士州议会外抗议,要求退还他们的资金。

Ralan集团在悉尼Arncliffe的开发项目及其位于黄金海岸的Ruby collection的开发项目中有成百上千套尚未建成的公寓,抗议者面临着损失掉数以百万计的无担保首付,他们要求澳大利亚证券与投资委员会(ASIC)和新南威尔士州政府展开调查。其中许多抗议者多年来以只赚取佣金的销售合同为该集团工作,他们在其楼花公寓投入了大量资金。

前Ralan销售顾问Gary Chu表示,他已经为正在建设中的Arncliffe项目的两套公寓以及在黄金海岸待建的Ruby大厦支付了50万的无担保首付金额。

Chu先生最初来自香港,他表示,他在过去十年中一直为Ruby集团工作。该集团上周进入自愿托管。

“我们正在尽我们所能拿回钱。我们尝试找媒体,采取法律行动……我们希望自愿托管方检查(Ralan)创始人William O’Dwyer本人,” Chu先生说。

O’Dwyer先生没有回复《澳大利亚人报》的电话。

来自中国福建省的Jane Wu表示,她作为只赚取佣金的销售顾问已经在Ralan集团工作了10年。

Wu女士很愤怒,因为她自己亏了钱,并鼓励了100多名她自己的尊贵客户通过无担保首付投资Ralan的公寓。

她还将自己的退休公积金用于购买Ralan公寓。“我所有的钱都没了,”她说。

抗议者表示他们将参加明天的第一次债权人会议,要求归还他们的无担保贷款。

昆士兰州建筑商Hutchinson是Ralan 集团欠钱的1800名个人和企业中最大的债权人之一。

这间私人建筑商建造了该集团在黄金海岸的第一座Ruby大厦,被欠550万。该建筑已经于去年10月完工。其主席Scott Hutchinson说,这550万意味着他从该项目中的获利。

另一位不愿透露姓名的黄金海岸开发商认为,Ralan花费了太多资金囤积悉尼空地来进行住宅开发。

Scores of former employees and apartment buyers caught up in the $500 million collapse of Sydney and Gold Coast property developer Ralan Group protested outside NSW parliament yesterday, demanding their money back.

The protesters, who face losing millions of dollars in unsecured deposits on hundreds of yet-to-be-built Ralan apartments in its Arncliffe development in Sydney and its Ruby collection towers on the Gold Coast, called for investigations by the Australian Securities & Investment Commission and the NSW government. The protesters, many of whom had worked for Ralan on commission-only sales contracts for years, had invested heavily in the off-the-plan apartments.

Former Ralan sales consultant Gary Chu said he had put down an unsecured deposit of $500,000 on two apartments in the Arncliffe development, which is under construction, and the yet-to-be-built Ruby tower on the Gold Coast.

Originally from Hong Kong, Mr Chu said he had worked for Ralan, which entered voluntary administration last week, for the past decade.

“We are trying everything we have to get the money back. We try the media, legal action … and we want the voluntary administrators to check (Ralan) founder William O’Dwyer personally,” Mr Chu said.

Mr O’Dwyer did not return calls from The Australian.

Jane Wu from China’s Fujian province said she had been working on commission only for 10 years as a sales consultant for Ralan Group.

Ms Wu is angry that she lost money herself and also encouraged more than 100 of her valued clients to invest in Ralan by putting down unsecured deposits on apartments.

She had also put her superannuation into buying Ralan apartments. “All my money is gone,” she said.

The protesters said they would attend the first creditors’ meeting tomorrow, demanding the return of their unsecured loans.

One of the biggest of the 1800 individuals and businesses owed money from the collapse is Queensland builder Hutchinson.

The private builder is owed $5.5 million from the construction of the first Ruby tower on the Gold Coast, which was completed last October. Chairman Scott Hutchinson said the $5.5m represented his profit from the tower.

Another developer on the Gold Coast, speaking on condition of anonymity, believed that Ralan had spent too much money land-banking vacant Sydney sites for residential development.


根据XX悉尼的报道:



这位Tony Liu大哥,损失了5套楼花的80万定金。



这位大婶损失了25万定金。




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https://www.afr.com/property/res ... icy-20190807-p52eno

“The Queensland Office of Fair Trading has recently been made aware of administrators being appointed to the Ralan developments and is in communication with the administrators,” said a spokeswoman.

“Under the Queensland Property Occupations Act (POA), the deposit received by the property developer must be paid directly to either the public trustee, a law practice or a property agent.

“The money received must then be held in trust and dealt with in accordance with laws governing that trust account.”

Under the law governing trust accounts (the Agents Financial Administration Act or AFAA) withdrawals can be made from a special trust account to cover expenses with the consent of both parties to the transaction.

“If a developer is found in breach of either POA or AFAA, the OFT will take appropriate enforcement action and this may include court prosecution,” the spokeswoman said.

Frank Higginson, a partner at Brisbane-based law firm Hynes Legal, said it was clear Ralan had not complied with Queensland property law.

Deposit monies for all contracts in Queensland for off the plan units must be paid to the trust account of a lawyer or a real estate agent. End of story. You cannot contract out of the [Queensland] Land Sales Act," he told the Financial Review.

“Developers up here are very well trained and just know you simply cannot do it any other way.”

In NSW, where some developers have amended standard contract rules to hold buyer deposits themselves, new legislation will soon come into force that places restrictions on how a deposit is held to ensure that it is protected in the event of the developer’s insolvency.

Clear rules
In Victoria the rules are clearer.

In Victoria, developers selling off-the-plan ... can only take deposits through a legal practitioner, conveyancer or licensed estate agent who must hold it in trust until the registration of the plan,” said a spokeswoman for Consumer Affairs Victoria.

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好像新闻里面有名有姓的都是Ralan的销售啊
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Hetbert 发表于 2019-8-8 10:12
https://www.afr.com/property/residential/ralan-in-state-watchdog-s-sights-over-deposit-policy-201908 ...

总结一下,因为各州法律不同,昆州的定金是不能被挪用付利息的,所以投资黄金海岸的还可以走法律途径维权。

新州就不一样了,新法还没有生效,签了协议要回来的概率更小。

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惨,不过估计这么抗议也没用,无抵押担保的拿回钱来可能性几乎为0
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看起来很多都是国人?

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全是华人面孔

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前排都是大妈,二排 3个 后生仔 好像 挺开心

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破产以后,第一顺位 拿钱的是ATO那些政府部门
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炒房(公寓))炒爆了。

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panadol89 发表于 2019-8-8 10:25
炒房(公寓))炒爆了。

想起朱镕基的一个说法,炒股票赚钱了你自己拿了,炒股票亏本了你就找政府跳楼要钱
The Good The Bad and The Ugly, The Spirits of Us By Nature

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前排都是大妈,后排还有3个男的在偷笑

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唉,当年华人报纸整版都是这个开发商的广告,好像从来没断过。华人房主太多了