给弱势群体预留精英中学位置的计划是否已经失败？

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https://www.smh.com.au/national/ ... 0250117-p5l589.html

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Just 1 per cent of students at the prestigious James Ruse Agricultural High, Baulkham Hills, Penrith and Girraween high schools in western Sydney were from the lowest socio-educational quartile last year, government data shows.

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He(Australian Tutoring Association chief executive Mohan Dhall) urged the government to consider other measures, such as extending the leeway beyond the 10 per cent margin for disadvantaged primary school students, to proactive measures such as providing free academic coaching to children whose families could not afford it, to level the playing field for the selective school test.

“If someone like Eddie Woo were to be paid by the department to run coaching classes, then suddenly you would have an equally high-profile coach, which could compete with the coaching college sector and reduce inequity,” he said.

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UTS academic Christina Ho, who has studied the make-up of selective schools, said a flood of students from target equity groups may not have eventuated as they may not be applying in the first place.
“Some families just don’t think that selective schooling is for them – and even if they do, they’re not really able to give the kids the preparation for them to succeed,” she said.

She said that despite the test being designed to be less coachable, the hours of tutoring that migrant families often paid for in the months and years ahead of the test meant their children were at an advantage.
“I don’t think they’re gaming the system – they’re following the rules that were not set up by them,” she said.

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dondon 发表于 2025-1-20 08:09
在普通中学当个鸡头，可能比在精英当个尾巴好。
在一个前十精英比较单一文化，跟自己文化一样肯定没问题， ...

可能有这样原因
另外也可能是地理的问题 大多数精英中学都在拿铁线以北
两年前就有家长说：你要low ses的学生增加 为何不在low ses的区直接建精英中学

唯一多一些low/med ses的就是Hurlstone，我觉得地理位置
也有关系

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wuxiaoq 发表于 2025-1-20 09:27
人家那些地方的孩子极少有想拼学术的，人家做蓝领也很幸福哟
想拼学术的家庭，即使穷，也搬迁北上啦 ...

While selective schools have high rates of socio-educational advantage - which means students' parents are educated, a key factor in schooling success - the figures show that does not necessarily equate to wealth.

而且这里用的是socio-educational  考虑家长的教育程度而不是经济状况
家长受过良好教育 所以更关心子女教育 子女学术表现更好不是正常的吗

有些媒体和政客特别喜欢把政治正确玩到尽
那我还觉得澳洲cricket国家队华裔太少 不如搞点华裔配额

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tt607 发表于 2025-1-20 14:41
我总觉得这个20%的政策是拿来转移公众视线的，真正的猫腻在那个5%的免试入学。 ...

我觉得要是知识差太多 强行进去没有任何意义了
精英中学的目的是因材施教 因为接受能力强 所以讲的更深进度更快 进去跟不上还不如把最基础的内容慢慢理解好

例如要是7年级了 还不会乘法表
不能指望着教育部花纳税人的钱去雇Eddy Woo 去带一帮7年级孩子背乘法表吧

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wuxiaoq 发表于 2025-1-20 15:37
严重同意。免试进去，或者考分差很多进去也没有意义，听不懂、跟不上、活受罪，那明明是害了弱势群体。 ...

那些low sea背景的孩子 肯定是有一部分是有天赋的
但是问题在于 他们大概率在low sea的公立小学读了6年
冰冻三尺非一日之寒

这个大规模的基本问题他们解决不了 只能拿别的东西强行“达标”

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Miwu 发表于 2025-1-21 08:17
这个政策从开始就已经注定是一定失败的政策，它本就不是个解决真正弱势的问题，而只是选举的策略，那场选举 ...

感谢分享

另外一个我想吐槽的 就是政府特别喜欢投资硬件
因为几乎马上见效 无脑花钱就行
各种smart board 买电脑和软件 建楼  

核心的教师 却没人care或者不想投资
因为难解决 而且不能马上出“成果”给他们攒政绩

结果就是有些老师会拿permanent marker往smart board 上写字
学生在软件上学习 只会做选择题和短答案题 并没有帮助他们理解

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Under the Model, up to 20% of student places at each selective high school and opportunity class are held for high potential and gifted:

students from low socio-educational advantage areas
Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander students
students from rural and remote locations
students with disability.

好像政策也是educational的吧？

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管閒事的路人 发表于 2025-1-21 19:37
Penrith, Girraween 正正是西雪尼算是藍領區啦。

At the 2021 census in Girraween, there were 6,256 people. Just over a third (34.2%) of people were born in Australia, with the top other countries of birth being India 34.9%, Sri Lanka 9.9%, Malta 2.0%, China 1.9% and New Zealand 1.1%

Girraween 有南亚移民

Penrith当地本身没有那么多移民
但是根据my school 94%也是非英语背景家庭 (Girraween 97%）不太了解具体构成 但是有可能吸收了附近区的移民后裔

不知道这样说是不是有点paradoxical：
1. 教育程度是技术移民的考核标准 技术移民因为自己的教育和职业而完成了移民的目的
2. 但是一部分朴实的澳洲人民 在某些热忱媒体+政客+政客wannabe的引导下 又不想看到他们的后代教育程度“太好”
3. 如果“太好”的话 肯定只是因为他们只会补习
而不是因为家长的背景 导致家庭更关心和支持子女教育
更不是智商会遗传这种政治不正确的说法

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小小白虎 发表于 2025-1-22 11:13
新闻里有点我挺赞同的，这部分极聪明的孩子可能根本就没报精英考试

在我的理解里，这个计划反而像是帮了 ...

也可能报了 考上了 太远不去了

考上了也不可能每天花3-4个小时通勤吧
这样不是造成了更大的不公平 每天浪费这么多时间在路上

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华丽转身 发表于 2025-1-22 11:25
He(Australian Tutoring Association chief executive Mohan Dhall)

这个人好像也在补习社授课，不知道自 ...

这个人的身份特别奇怪
他那个组织 也不知道算官方还是算生意
给人一种 总想让政府招安的感觉 给他个官当