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[会计] 工作六年来对会计求职的看法,欢迎讨论‏(updating) [复制链接]

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Brucehome 发表于 2014-9-25 18:42
见仁见智吧,我觉着你自己的经历反而证明了我的看法 ,要知道澳洲20人以上的公司都是很大的了。
...


我所说的大公司是那种turnover至少也要有500 million+那种的,我现在的公司turnover也只不过接近200 million,还只能是medium
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Brucehome 发表于 2014-9-25 18:46
别看小payroll,这行精了,深了,比大多数会计师更有前途和钱途。因为它涉及的已经到HR管理了 ...

但是它和Accounting是两个不同的方向,所以必须分清楚

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hj1985 发表于 2014-9-25 18:46
内部推荐是运气,找工作确实有运气,但前提是你得有能力hold住运气

运气太重要了。
我去年换工,有一份二面被刷下来就是因为另外一个候选人先见

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Brucehome 发表于 2014-9-25 18:48
运气太重要了。
我去年换工,有一份二面被刷下来就是因为另外一个候选人先见  ...

这种其实没多大事,可能对方先入为主,说明你还是有实力竞争的,不是吗

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hj1985 发表于 2014-9-25 18:47
我所说的大公司是那种turnover至少也要有500 million+那种的,我现在的公司turnover也只不过接近200 mill ...

你别吓了看贴的童鞋,200M,澳村多少上市公司也没有呢。
不过我俩的行业不同,在firm的童鞋,从除了四大,能有20以上FT的员工,一般都够middle tier了

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hj1985 发表于 2014-9-25 18:48
但是它和Accounting是两个不同的方向,所以必须分清楚

这个是的。
很多payroll用的软件都和accounting不同
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楼主的excel是工作前自学还是工作后慢慢学的

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顶一个

lz 能推荐靠谱点的中介么?seek还是中介多 哎

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谢谢。总结得提。挺好的。年纪比我小但很有见识想法哦

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歪楼问下楼主attention to details为什么不对?我作为academic参加过学校几次招人。听到HR有说details。下来我还笑着问人家detail不是mass noun吗?他说mass noun在强调独立个体的时候可以用复数。比如two persons 和 two waters. 这种说法在语法书里是不是肯定是错的?因为很久没有系统的练习语法了

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Brucehome 发表于 2014-9-25 18:52
你别吓了看贴的童鞋,200M,澳村多少上市公司也没有呢。
不过我俩的行业不同,在firm的童鞋,从除了四大 ...

上次和来审我们的几个德勤的人聊天,发现他们的薪水给的真心的少啊!一个从实习到现在干了5年的家伙才56k含super, 他们senior的package也就65k-80k含super, 那个秃头了的manager收入估计才和我差不多。每半年遇到他们总是要感叹他们干的活真心的无聊沉闷并且辛苦,我经常是在半晚12点半和早上6点15分收到他们的邮件。除了有野心要做partner的那两个人,另外几个都跟我抱怨说要跳槽,必须要去干点别的,但似乎四大背景真要跳去commercial也不是那么容易。看来大家都不易啊。哎。
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hual 发表于 2014-9-25 18:59
楼主的excel是工作前自学还是工作后慢慢学的

工作后慢慢学的,工作前自学了一些,但是熟练度一般,主要是工作后有人教

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楼主,换工作的频率,多长时间一跳,比较好?

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等于三 发表于 2014-9-26 01:38
上次和来审我们的几个德勤的人聊天,发现他们的薪水给的真心的少啊!一个从实习到现在干了5年的家伙才56k ...

才这么一点!!!!!

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hual 发表于 2014-9-26 07:26
楼主,换工作的频率,多长时间一跳,比较好?

我的建议是一开始跳经常点,两年一跳,到了第三,第四个job就要小心了

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911110000 发表于 2014-9-25 21:11
顶一个

lz 能推荐靠谱点的中介么?seek还是中介多 哎

没有靠谱的中介,具体看推你的consultant
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Brucehome 发表于 2014-9-25 18:52
你别吓了看贴的童鞋,200M,澳村多少上市公司也没有呢。
不过我俩的行业不同,在firm的童鞋,从除了四大 ...


$30mil - $200 mil都算中型吧,这个也只是个人定义,每个人定义不一样的。

其实我们reporting team现在就两人,加一个做budget,不是很多

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lucyji 发表于 2014-9-25 21:39
谢谢。总结得提。挺好的。年纪比我小但很有见识想法哦

靠,用户名暴露了

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云梦夫人 发表于 2014-9-25 21:43
歪楼问下楼主attention to details为什么不对?我作为academic参加过学校几次招人。听到HR有说details。下 ...

是一个中介和我说的,我也没细查过,当时我写attention to details,被说了

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hj1985 发表于 2014-9-26 07:33
靠,用户名暴露了

咱们会计行业的都挺XX的,我就是因为这个用户名,把自己暴露于雇主了,前不久在这里发关于找工作的想法还被人肉了一次。

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不错~~学习了~
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hj1985 发表于 2014-9-25 14:35
what kinda 会计证书课程? Distance learning??


大家看看这个课程靠谱吗?在国内外企工作多年,英语还算过的去。下功夫,完成课程是没有问题。现在担心交钱,学完后,这个文凭不被承认,毕竟不是TAFE 网站。谢谢大家的分享!
很抱歉,不能发链接。网站的名字是Australianonlinecourses.com, 课程名称是diploma of accounting.

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Course Overview
The Diploma of Accounting is an online professional development program that will provide you with the skills and knowledge required to record general journal adjustment entries and to prepare end of period financial reports. Also the functions involved in preparation and processing of routine financial documents, preparing journal entries, posting journals to ledgers, preparing, banking and reconciling financial receipts, and extracting a trial balance and interim reports.

During the course you will be enable to develop a range of commonly required financial reports for entities that do not have a statutory duty to file financial reports with government agencies and regulators. Also, you will learn how to modify and operate an integrated computerised accounting system.

In this course you will gain knowledge of how to process business taxation requirements related to Business Activity Statements (BAS) and Instalment Activity Statements (IAS), including the completion of Activity Statements. You will learn how to maintain taxation accounting records and process lodgements and returns in accordance with Australian Taxation Office (ATO) requirements. You will also learn to prepare non-complex income tax returns for individuals in accordance with statutory requirements, and encompasses gathering and verifying data, calculating taxable income and reviewing compliance.

The Diploma of Accounting will equip you with the skills to analyse and report on a broad range of financial and business performance information and encompasses assessing clients’ needs, analysing data and preparing advice. In this course you will learn how to monitor and control finances, and review and evaluate the effectiveness of financial management processes in line with the financial objectives of the work team and the organisation.

The course covers corporate governance requirements, operating procedures and monitor policy. Preparing budget reports and review costing systems integrity to calculate and record the costs of products and services. Finally, in this course you will learn how to Identify and record system requirements, evaluate alternative systems, acceptance test systems, prepare system documentation, implement reporting systems and records, monitor systems and review reporting procedures.

Course Topics
•Maintain asset register
•Calculating depreciation
•Record general journal entries for balance day adjustments
•Expense accounts
•Revenue accounts
•Prepayment and accruals
•Bad and doubtful debts
•Prepare final general ledger accounts
•Prepare end of period financial reports
•Prepare balance sheet
•Check and verify supporting documentation
•Prepare and process banking and petty cash documents
•Prepare and process invoices for payment to creditors and for debtors
•Prepare journals and batch monetary items
•Post journals to ledger
•Enter data into system
•Prepare deposit facility and lodge flows
•Security and safety precautions
•Industry and legislative requirements
•Extract a trial balance and interim reports
•Special transactions
•Compile data
•Prepare reports
•Implement an integrated accounting system
•Process transactions within the system
•Maintain the system
•Produce reports
•Ensure system integrity
•Identify individual compliance and other requirements
•Recognise and apply GST implications and code transactions
•Report on payroll activities
•Report on other amounts withheld
•Pay as you go instalments and taxes
•Complete and reconcile the activity statement
•Lodge activity statement
•Obtain data and resources for financial calculations
•Select appropriate methods and carry out financial calculations
•Check calculations and record outcomes
•Common computational errors
•Maintain accounting records for taxation purposes
•Establish and maintain a process for managing business tax returns
•Process business tax returns and lodgements
•Specific taxation requirements for business documents
•Lodgement schedule
•Assess client needs
•Expectations and objectives
•Financial options
•Analyse data
•Shortfalls in customer service
•Standard financial analysis techniques
•Prepare advice
•Taxation issues
•Methods of presentation and formats
•Risk and contingencies
•Gather and verify data
•Calculate taxable income
•Review compliance
•Plan financial management approaches
•Budget/financial plans
•Implement financial management approaches
•Resources and systems
•Monitor and control finances
•Review and evaluate financial management processes
•Data and information on the effectiveness of financial management processes
•Compile data
•Accounting standards
•Conversion and consolidation procedures
•Prepare reports
•Statutory requirements
•Review corporate governance requirements
•Internal control procedures
•Financial delegations and accountabilities
•Implement operating procedures
•Monitor policy
•Gather and record operating and cost data
•Analyse data
•Prepare budgeted reports
•Review costing system integrity
•Identify and record and system requirements
•Evaluate alternative systems
•Acceptance test system
•Prepare system documentation
•Implement reporting system and records
•Monitor reporting systems
•Review reporting procedures
Course Format and Duration
This course is delivered completely ONLINE via our elearning system. The course is available for you to complete at your own pace. Approximately 800  hours.

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12 months’ eLearning access, with free extensions available.

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lucyji 发表于 2014-9-26 11:12
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Practice转commercial 基础打得更扎实 转commercial也吃香

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小小小2013 发表于 2014-9-26 14:19
大家看看这个课程靠谱吗?在国内外企工作多年,英语还算过的去。下功夫,完成课程是没有问题。现在担心交 ...


checked the website, and have a question, why they never mention if the course is nationally accredited?

I also google some online courses, e.g. but cant find "Diploma of Accounting".....

http://www.onlinecoursesaustrali ... ma-of-business.aspx
http://www.aot.edu.au/diploma/business.html

If you go to ACPET (Australian Council for Private Education and Training) website, you can find all private course in their NSW 2014-2015 course guide and you can also find all course numbers for legit courses。 There is no "Diploma of Accounting"

http://www.acpet.edu.au/students/nsw-course-guide/
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contactserena 发表于 2014-9-26 15:43
Practice转commercial 基础打得更扎实 转commercial也吃香

Yes cant agree more, but public practice is more difficult to get in

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hj1985 发表于 2014-9-26 15:50
Yes cant agree more, but public practice is more difficult to get in

Not sure about now. Used to be a norm to get into practice first before jumping into commercial.

I started as an undergrad when I was in year 2 in a practice till I qualified. Used to complain about getting paid peanuts in public practice. Once you get into commercial after qualification the pay rise is quite significant. Again you need to choose what industry to work in. Financial services and mining would be two two choices.

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写的很实在。作为一个一毕业了就立志要找鬼佬公司的工作,并且在6个月之后终于找到的人来说,lz写的绝对是经验之谈。非常适合刚毕业的学生。个人觉得经验这东西简历上最好多少都要有一点,即便不多。所以各位没毕业的一定要在上学的时候多多参与part-time工作积累经验。
总的来说都是第一份工作最难找

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contactserena 发表于 2014-9-26 16:01
Not sure about now. Used to be a norm to get into practice first before jumping into commercial.
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